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    Quote Originally Posted by shyonelung View Post
    FYI until May 31, Garmin is offering a $100 rebate after purchase. I'm serious thinking about getting either a Garmin or the new Polar V650. This thread has been helpful. I have a very basic polar computer that does cadence and heart rate. I'm ready to upgrade but, l'm on the fence deciding what to get.
    If that $100 rebate can apply to a 500, I'd highly recommend that route. For what its worth, I love the 500, but have never tried the others. I've tried the route feature on the 500 via a pre-planned tcx file, and its worked well. The only features I wish I had are live tracking and text updates.

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    For trainng the bike models look nice, but for touring and randos the hiking models rock. Bit big and no hr/cadence but the navigation functions are fantastic. Also li-ion and aa batteries makes 24 hours plus no problem. I'd live to upgrade my vista hcx to one of the new 3d map compatible models, but it does the job so well I'll use it till it dies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raqball View Post
    My 810 is a buggy pile of junk.. I am going to pass on the 1000.

    As soon as the Polar V650 comes out I am going to get it and sell my 810.

    Polar V650. The wireless bike computer with GPS | Polar Global
    Why in the world would you put serious money into a Polar cycling computer. Polar has been about 15 years behind when it comes to cycling products. This maybe gets them to 5 years behind.

    Biggest problem is it's not ANt+, and you can't use it with a power meter (other than Polar's power pedals, which presumably are being upgraded to Bluetooth, and which are total crap.)

    When I was trying to get my Polar pedals to work, the Polar people themselves admitted that cycling products were not their strong suit.

    Just say no to Polar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manweiser View Post
    If that $100 rebate can apply to a 500, I'd highly recommend that route. For what its worth, I love the 500, but have never tried the others. I've tried the route feature on the 500 via a pre-planned tcx file, and its worked well. The only features I wish I had are live tracking and text updates.
    I think the rebates only apply to the new-ish models and no, route features on a 500 don't work "well". They're very rudimentary and merely adequate. That's one area where "upgrading" to a 800 is a good idea, if you use those features fairly regularly. If you don't, the routing features of a 500 are enough to keep you from severely getting lost if you do the legwork up front. Regardless, the 500 is a solid little bike computer... I gave mine to my son when I bought an 800.

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    Like I said, I'm on the fence. Right now, I have the basic Polar cycling computer (5 years old I think) that gets me my cadence and my heartrate info. But I also use Strava on my phone, which gives me distance, speed, elevation etc. It's been fine on rides less than 50 miles, but now that I'm branching out and staying in the saddle longer, I find I want a computer that will do more and last throughout the ride. Turn-by-turn is a want I think, but not sure it's a need. I do have a nice polar HR strap and I will have to replace that in order to get the Garmin to read it and that means I'd have to go with the bundled version. Which is $599-$699 depending on the model (minus $100 rebate if purchased by 5/31).

    The Polar V650 has gotten good reviews. I have used their HR monitor products for years and have gone through two bike computers in the last couple of decades that worked as promised. And it's much less expensive than the Garmin, which to me feels incredibly over-priced. I'm not adverse to spending money for stuff I need/want, but until Garmin gets some serious competition in this market, we're all going to pay the price, literally. IMHO, of course. :-D

    If anyone wants to make an argument here why I should or shouldn't buy a cycling computer or why I should or shouldn't buy a Garmin, I would love to hear your thoughts. I've read many posts on it throughout this site and there's a lot of good info, but I'm still evaluating whether to pull the trigger or not. I have two weeks to make up my mine, though and since we're talking about it now, I thought I'd ask for more feedback. Have at it if you feel like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
    Why in the world would you put serious money into a Polar cycling computer. Polar has been about 15 years behind when it comes to cycling products. This maybe gets them to 5 years behind.

    Just say no to Polar.
    From here on out I am just saying no to Garmin..

    Quote Originally Posted by shyonelung View Post

    The Polar V650 has gotten good reviews. I have used their HR monitor products for years and have gone through two bike computers in the last couple of decades that worked as promised. And it's much less expensive than the Garmin, which to me feels incredibly over-priced. I'm not adverse to spending money for stuff I need/want, but until Garmin gets some serious competition in this market, we're all going to pay the price, literally. IMHO, of course. :-D
    The Polar V650 does look nice and it does have positive reviews so far.. My line of thinking is that it can't really be any worse than a Garmin..

    I am going to sell my 810 and give it a go.. We shall see!

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    Quote Originally Posted by shyonelung View Post
    ...I will have to replace that in order to get the Garmin to read it and that means I'd have to go with the bundled version. Which is $599-$699 depending on the model (minus $100 rebate if purchased by 5/31).
    You can get a garmin 800 bundle for $380 at amazon - Amazon.com: Garmin Edge 800 GPS-Enabled Cycling Computer (Includes Heart Rate Monitor and Speed/Cadence Sensor): GPS & Navigation

    It might be cheaper elsewhere. $280 for the bare unit.

    Is your polar HR strap ANT+? If so, you can use it. If not... well, they're consumables anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roadiejorge View Post
    Some features seem nice but not for that price tag and considering that I don't read texts or answer calls while riding, those functions are lost on me.
    What we're going to see with new Edge devices are products that basically are aimed at the early adopter. When you really get down to it, once the Edge 800 came out with the touchscreen data entry, what more did you need from a device in terms of regular functionality?

    Things like live updating, virtual training partner, etc. appeal to some, but a lot of people are going to say they don't really need that just like plenty of people would rather buy a portable GPS for their car than pay a monthly fee for an "all in" electronics service. Personally, I make a point of not carrying my cell phone with me most of the time when I ride, so the more advanced features they've rolled out wouldn't work for me unless I was willing to change that. And I don't care enough about them to do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raqball View Post
    From here on out I am just saying no to Garmin..



    The Polar V650 does look nice and it does have positive reviews so far.. My line of thinking is that it can't really be any worse than a Garmin..

    I am going to sell my 810 and give it a go.. We shall see!

    We know that it is in fact worse than Garmin in that it doesn't support ANT+

    And I think Polar, at least for cycling products is much worse than Garmin in a number of respects. I've had a Garmin 305, 705, 500, 810, and Garmin Vector pedals.

    I've also had Polar/Look Power Pedals, and two of their cycle computers, CS500, and CS 600.

    All of the Garmin products had a glitch or two from time to time; but they worked as intended, and while Garmin customer support could use some work, they've always answered my question and eventually resolved my issue.


    By contrast the Polar pedals and computers were absolute jokes. Total trash, that never worked in even a rudimentary fashion. In dealing with Polar, they admitted Cycling wasn't a strong suit or a focus, and that their customer service people really weren't trained to support the power meter product in particular or cycling products in general.

    Polar by rejecting ANT+ and clinging to a propietary standard, completely lost out on the power meter market, and their cycling products are woefully bad. Polar's continued viability as a provider of cycling products is questionable.

    So even if the V650 is an improvement, it still sucks in objective ways, and its backed by Polar a company that admits its not set up to support its cycling customers, and may not continue to be a player in the cycling market if the V650 isn't successful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by inspclouseau View Post
    Yah, this is a product release cycle. Typical of EVERY hardware & software vendor in existence.
    Absolutely not. The vast majority of hardware never needs any tweaks and will work perfectly fine. Just because Windows introduced the world to the concept of regular updates until things get corrected doesn't mean everyone does it. (I don't hate Windows, I run it all the time, but that's the way it is).

    Garmin was having firmware flaws going back to the Edge 705 and before -- and this was in support of devices that didn't have rounds of big feature additions.

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    lost another ride to my garmin edge 500 POS. At least it wasn't a race this time. Already expressed my views but again, no future garmin product for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cafzali View Post
    When you really get down to it, once the Edge 800 came out with the touchscreen data entry, what more did you need from a device in terms of regular functionality?
    ^ That's it. I got one of the $210 800s and really like it. I consider it a huge upgrade over my previous Strada, which was a good unit. There's nothing my 800 won't do that I want. After reading this thread I may be more gentle with my 800, sounds like the replacement options are problematic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bbeasley View Post
    ^ That's it. I got one of the $210 800s and really like it. I consider it a huge upgrade over my previous Strada, which was a good unit. There's nothing my 800 won't do that I want. After reading this thread I may be more gentle with my 800, sounds like the replacement options are problematic.
    If there's one thing that I would say about Edge devices is they're pretty tough and replacing batteries for them is a snap (although I used mine for five years before needing to do that). So odds are, you'll be able to keep your 800 running as long as you need it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shyonelung View Post
    Like I said, I'm on the fence. Right now, I have the basic Polar cycling computer (5 years old I think) that gets me my cadence and my heartrate info. But I also use Strava on my phone, which gives me distance, speed, elevation etc. It's been fine on rides less than 50 miles, but now that I'm branching out and staying in the saddle longer, I find I want a computer that will do more and last throughout the ride. Turn-by-turn is a want I think, but not sure it's a need. I do have a nice polar HR strap and I will have to replace that in order to get the Garmin to read it and that means I'd have to go with the bundled version. Which is $599-$699 depending on the model (minus $100 rebate if purchased by 5/31).

    The Polar V650 has gotten good reviews. I have used their HR monitor products for years and have gone through two bike computers in the last couple of decades that worked as promised. And it's much less expensive than the Garmin, which to me feels incredibly over-priced. I'm not adverse to spending money for stuff I need/want, but until Garmin gets some serious competition in this market, we're all going to pay the price, literally. IMHO, of course. :-D

    If anyone wants to make an argument here why I should or shouldn't buy a cycling computer or why I should or shouldn't buy a Garmin, I would love to hear your thoughts. I've read many posts on it throughout this site and there's a lot of good info, but I'm still evaluating whether to pull the trigger or not. I have two weeks to make up my mine, though and since we're talking about it now, I thought I'd ask for more feedback. Have at it if you feel like it.
    I was in the same boat as you; using a Sigma computer that game me HR/Cadence/speed, etc. Two weeks ago I bought the 810 since the rebate made the price a little more palatable.
    I mostly wanted it so i could:
    1. Stop eating data on my iphone. I rode a lot in March and used almost 5gb between constantly running Strava and normal use.
    2. It's nice to do a long ride and have my phone still over 90% when I'm done. More battery for taking photos and doing other smart phone stuff.
    3. Turn-by-turn directions. No more cue sheets on night time group rides! Just load a gpx file in and done. I set up my house as a location and it'll route me home no problem. Of course it takes the most direct route which is up a 20% hill but that will only make me stronger, right?

    I like that it has customizable profiles - for normal rides I have 6 pieces of info displayed and the second screen is the map. I turned all the other stuff off.

    So far I love it because it suits my needs which seem similar to yours. I've read through some of the complaints here and I'm sure they're valid for those who bought it for certain features but I don't have a need for a "virtual partner" or live tracking. I live in LA so weather reports are never an excuse to not ride.
    Also, you can piece the bundle together on Amazon for less than Garmin's price. You can save some more money by using open source maps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cafzali View Post
    Absolutely not. The vast majority of hardware never needs any tweaks and will work perfectly fine. Just because Windows introduced the world to the concept of regular updates until things get corrected doesn't mean everyone does it. (I don't hate Windows, I run it all the time, but that's the way it is).

    Garmin was having firmware flaws going back to the Edge 705 and before -- and this was in support of devices that didn't have rounds of big feature additions.
    I haven't used windows in years and I'm in the software applications industry Applications are usually built independent of OS and hardware platforms.

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    I like the idea of the 1000. I've been using a 605 for several years, mostly because once I learned what the right cadence felt like I stopped caring about those data fields.

    I like long rides, and got the 605 because I could go off and explore.

    I have played with turn-by-turn, but it's just too much input. I've settled into a mode where I shut off the annoying noises, I have it auto pause, and when I'm following a route I like a pink line on the map (not turn-by-turn). Works well, integrates right into Strava.

    What I like about the 1,000? Bigger touch screen, and yes, the ability to see texts and calls. Oh, and the fact that folks can see where I am. I'll track the issues and may pick one up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post


    All of the Garmin products had a glitch or two from time to time; but they worked as intended, and while Garmin customer support could use some work, they've always answered my question and eventually resolved my issue.
    Garmin intended the 800 to freeze after 150 miles? Or for it to randomly stop working? Or for it to give you half a second warning before a turn?

    Glad you like yours.

    If Polar makes a reliable product that measures distance, speed, HR, and gives reliable turn by turn navigation guidance for a long ride, I would buy it.

    I doubt I will ever buy another Garmin product again. Ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weatherby View Post
    Garmin intended the 800 to freeze after 150 miles? Or for it to randomly stop working? Or for it to give you half a second warning before a turn?

    Glad you like yours.

    If Polar makes a reliable product that measures distance, speed, HR, and gives reliable turn by turn navigation guidance for a long ride, I would buy it.

    I doubt I will ever buy another Garmin product again. Ever.
    The Garmin 1000 'official' forums should be entertaining to read a week after it's release..

    I predict 14.27 million complaint threads and 1 official response post from Garmin...

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    Quote Originally Posted by raqball View Post
    The Garmin 1000 'official' forums should be entertaining to read a week after it's release..

    I predict 14.27 million complaint threads and 1 official response post from Garmin...
    They must have used hand signs for the one response, I missed the digit in the air.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weatherby View Post
    Garmin intended the 800 to freeze after 150 miles? Or for it to randomly stop working? Or for it to give you half a second warning before a turn?

    Glad you like yours.

    If Polar makes a reliable product that measures distance, speed, HR, and gives reliable turn by turn navigation guidance for a long ride, I would buy it.

    I doubt I will ever buy another Garmin product again. Ever.
    An alternative view is that I've had an 800 for three years now and have probably ridden about 15,000 miles with it, almost 100% of those using predefined courses that I created and uploaded through RidewithGPS. My 800 has never experienced any of the issues you described above. I've had excellent luck with Garmin devices, including the Edge 500 that I use exclusively for racing and trainer time, and the Edge 800 that I use for outdoor training rides.

    I don't see enough advantage to the 1000 for me to buy it, but I'm going to watch it closely. I do like the larger display and some of the other added features, but many of them I have no use for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Weatherby View Post
    They must have used hand signs for the one response, I missed the digit in the air.
    The one post from Garmin will be "We are working on it with an unknown ETA for the fix"

    A few months later they will release the update and it will indeed fix an issue while introducing several new issues..

    Rinse, lather, rinse repeat..

    At some point and well before the 1000 functions as promised, the Garmin Edge 1100 will be announced, the 1000 forgotten about and the entire process starts all over again...

    I won't spend another cent on a Garmin product..

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleTap View Post
    An alternative view is that I've had an 800 for three years now and have probably ridden about 15,000 miles with it, almost 100% of those using predefined courses that I created and uploaded through RidewithGPS. My 800 has never experienced any of the issues you described above.
    Same here. There are many variations in how people can use these devices and that may explain the different experiences. Different websites to use for mapping, different file types to get from the website, different map versions on the device, different firmware versions, etc. I also use RidewithGPS. My only very minor complaint is that I wish there was an adjustable setting for how far in advance to warn about a turn. It usually alerts me at 0.15 miles before the turn. That's fine for solo riding but when I'm leading a group ride that's sometimes a bit of short notice to yell to everyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by raqball View Post
    The software is a mess on it... Garmin apparently has already abandoned it... The official Garmin 810 forums are full of complaints and problems that Garmin just ignores..

    Don't think I will ever buy another Garmin..
    I've had my 810 for over a year now...there was a small issue with power meters (April 2013) but they sorted that out long ago...I've yet to have an issue with mine.

    Ordered the 1000 but I haven't received it yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CALE262 View Post
    I've had my 810 for over a year now...there was a small issue with power meters (April 2013) but they sorted that out long ago...I've yet to have an issue with mine.

    Ordered the 1000 but I haven't received it yet.
    Would you like to trade 810's?

    I will gladly send you mine in exchange for yours..

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