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    Quote Originally Posted by surgeonstone View Post
    Emphatically this^^^. My attempts at getting one a bike to begin cycling has not been good. They need to want it.
    Agree. I like the idea of you two shopping together. And have an honest conversation about whether he'll ride with you.

    Quote Originally Posted by MRT2 View Post
    You still need to decide what it is you want. Modern road bike, vintage road bike, hybrid, hard tail mountain bike, etc.
    This x100. I can't imagine riding a flatbar bike. I would hate it after 50 feet. Others hate drop-bars. Classic "different strokes". You both need to go ride as many bikes as you can and find out what speaks to you.

    I ride a fair amount. The best rides are when "cupcakes" goes with me. Love my father/daughter rides.

    I'm 6'2" and 240+ lbs. My wheels are cheap FSA RD60's. I've had them for two years now and had them trued once. I should have had them tensioned on day one, but I didn't. They hold me just fine. Just have a competent bike shop tension his wheels and i would suspect you'll be fine.

    I'd suggest you make this whole thing an adventure. The hunt for the right bike. The rides. Etc. I'm in the L.A. area. My wife and I have done a century in Long Beach, a volunteer ride in San Diego, a metric century in Santa Rosa (Northern California wine country), rides from the campground in Solvang and Ojai (local places, but you get the idea). Get a good rack and go explore new places. On a bike, you'll see places and things you could never see by car.

    Also, make sure you budget for helmets, cycling attire of choice (whole new subject), repair kit, pump, gloves, etc.

    Please keep us up to date and ask any questions you have.
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    Okay, here's a possible bike for you:

    Trek 7.5 FX

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    Ok so I got to talk to my Dad a bit picking him up from the airport. He is interested and said to me that he'd love to get back in shape, but it's just hard with how much he travels for work - where he goes out to eat a majority of the time with his employees/employers and indulges in Papa John's, etc... Yeah he still chooses what he orders but he says it's hard to avoid all the good food that the local workers present him with (more-so give him the opportunity to by dining at restaurants).

    So I think if we can get out and let the results speak for themselves, that will maybe boost his willpower/drive to do something about his diet as well. He may not think of it as a problem but it is.

    Today I also got out to a handful of bike shops; up at school, not at home. And I realized no one has used bikes. Maybe a few trade-ins but other than that, nada. There was a man at the second shop and I got to speak with him for a while. He worked as some sort of oversight for the stores in the area and told me about how he got into cycling in college and made a career out of it. But also that he dropped $800 on his first bike back in 1997, and how it wasn't even a road bike. He made sure to talk about how you don't want to end up spending too little where you sacrifice performance/durability to the point where you don't even enjoy the sport because you can't enjoy the ride your bike has to offer. Hell he spent 800 and that was nearly 2 decades ago...

    So my question: How much money is spent on all the other little things involved in cycling? Ranging from seat pouches, to racks, to helmets, to water bottle holders, spare tires, tire pump, and any other thing that may not be obvious to a beginner like me (Not sure how necessary shoes or the streamlined clothing is). And how little would I be able to get away with? Because when I think of a number, I only gear that towards maybe the bike and a helmet, which clearly isn't enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ssnova12 View Post
    Ok so I got to talk to my Dad a bit picking him up from the airport. He is interested and said to me that he'd love to get back in shape, but it's just hard with how much he travels for work - where he goes out to eat a majority of the time with his employees/employers and indulges in Papa John's, etc... Yeah he still chooses what he orders but he says it's hard to avoid all the good food that the local workers present him with (more-so give him the opportunity to by dining at restaurants).

    So I think if we can get out and let the results speak for themselves, that will maybe boost his willpower/drive to do something about his diet as well. He may not think of it as a problem but it is.

    Today I also got out to a handful of bike shops; up at school, not at home. And I realized no one has used bikes. Maybe a few trade-ins but other than that, nada. There was a man at the second shop and I got to speak with him for a while. He worked as some sort of oversight for the stores in the area and told me about how he got into cycling in college and made a career out of it. But also that he dropped $800 on his first bike back in 1997, and how it wasn't even a road bike. He made sure to talk about how you don't want to end up spending too little where you sacrifice performance/durability to the point where you don't even enjoy the sport because you can't enjoy the ride your bike has to offer. Hell he spent 800 and that was nearly 2 decades ago...

    So my question: How much money is spent on all the other little things involved in cycling? Ranging from seat pouches, to racks, to helmets, to water bottle holders, spare tires, tire pump, and any other thing that may not be obvious to a beginner like me (Not sure how necessary shoes or the streamlined clothing is). And how little would I be able to get away with? Because when I think of a number, I only gear that towards maybe the bike and a helmet, which clearly isn't enough.
    What do you absolutely need and what is optional? Multiply this by two and that is what it will cost you and your dad for accessories. Cycling shorts and jerseys are great, especially shorts.

    Absolutely necessary in additional to a bike:
    Helmet $35 to $40 per helmet.
    Spare tubes and patch kit. $6 to $8
    tire levers $5
    floor pump. $35
    frame pump. $35 or CO2
    Allen wrench set $10
    seat bag: $15 to $20
    chain lube and degreaser $10
    water bottle cages and water bottles. $25

    Things you might already have, but if you don't, you might need to buy eventually

    Technical shirt or cycling jersey $20 to $50
    windbreaker
    protective eyewear or sunglasses
    cycling shorts $50 (or just go with nylon workout shorts for now)
    workout or cycling tights $40 to $100
    cycling shoes and clip less pedals(or just go with cross trainers for now) $100 to $200 for both pedals and shoes.
    some way of transporting your bikes. Basic Trunk rack will cost you $50 to $100.
    lock. $25 to $50.
    bike computer $25

    i know it seems like a lot, but some of this stuff lasts a long time. For example, I recently bought a bike and used a saddle, bar ends, and pedals I had in my garage. When my wife bought her bike, I used pedals, saddle, and utility rack that had previously been on another bike. Some things get used up and have to be replaced, like tubes, obviously.

    I look at it this way. Once you are set up, there aren't too many other costs. No country clubs to join, lift tickets. maintenance is moderate to cheap, and you aren't burning fossil fuels, though you could start taking bike trips if you want. And while technology advances, unlike some activities a new bike isn't obsolete in a year or two. A 10, 15, or 20 year old bike will get you where you want to go as readily as a brand new one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRT2 View Post
    What do you absolutely need and what is optional? Multiply this by two and that is what it will cost you and your dad for accessories. Cycling shorts and jerseys are great, especially shorts.

    Absolutely necessary in additional to a bike:
    Helmet $35 to $40 per helmet.
    Spare tubes and patch kit. $6 to $8
    tire levers $5
    floor pump. $35
    frame pump. $35 or CO2
    Allen wrench set $10
    seat bag: $15 to $20
    chain lube and degreaser $10
    water bottle cages and water bottles. $25

    Things you might already have, but if you don't, you might need to buy eventually

    Technical shirt or cycling jersey $20 to $50
    windbreaker
    protective eyewear or sunglasses
    cycling shorts $50 (or just go with nylon workout shorts for now)
    workout or cycling tights $40 to $100
    cycling shoes and clip less pedals(or just go with cross trainers for now) $100 to $200 for both pedals and shoes.
    some way of transporting your bikes. Basic Trunk rack will cost you $50 to $100.
    lock. $25 to $50.
    bike computer $25

    i know it seems like a lot, but some of this stuff lasts a long time. For example, I recently bought a bike and used a saddle, bar ends, and pedals I had in my garage. When my wife bought her bike, I used pedals, saddle, and utility rack that had previously been on another bike. Some things get used up and have to be replaced, like tubes, obviously.

    I look at it this way. Once you are set up, there aren't too many other costs. No country clubs to join, lift tickets. maintenance is moderate to cheap, and you aren't burning fossil fuels, though you could start taking bike trips if you want. And while technology advances, unlike some activities a new bike isn't obsolete in a year or two. A 10, 15, or 20 year old bike will get you where you want to go as readily as a brand new one.

    Ok so I can add up what I need out of all that. And you make a good point with long-term costs.

    The thing is, I feel like I'm gonna be a whole lot more serious about this than my dad will be. I absolutely want to start and see where this takes me, because of how new and foreign the idea of cycling seriously, for sport, is to me. I also really miss the competitive edge that cross country running had.
    I feel like I'd be willing to shell out more money than him to do this, and that maybe he won't see the point. I want this to be an activity we can both enjoy but I can see myself becoming serious with this whole thing.

    I feel like finding a bike for myself is difficult enough, but finding a used bike out there that is the right price that fits each of us will be nearly impossible, and frankly take too long. So it's not like I can give him a handful of options for him to choose from. Maybe I need to get him integrated with my plans more, with all this research and classifieds searching. I just don't want to end up forcing him to spend all this money and impose this on him.


    If low end models start in the 500s then I guess the only option I can think of is getting a used one for significantly cheaper. Again I really don't want to drop too much here. So right now other than checking out more bike shops around me and wearily browsing craigslist, I'm getting stuck with what to do.

    This seems really nice. But it's a carbon frame. Do you think something is wrong with it?
    http://cnj.craigslist.org/bik/4460762550.html

    And this guy seems to be all over Craigslist
    http://cnj.craigslist.org/bik/4450558930.html

    Again carbon fiber frame...
    http://jerseyshore.craigslist.org/bik/4458581828.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by ssnova12 View Post
    Ok so I can add up what I need out of all that. And you make a good point with long-term costs.

    The thing is, I feel like I'm gonna be a whole lot more serious about this than my dad will be. I absolutely want to start and see where this takes me, because of how new and foreign the idea of cycling seriously, for sport, is to me. I also really miss the competitive edge that cross country running had.
    I feel like I'd be willing to shell out more money than him to do this, and that maybe he won't see the point. I want this to be an activity we can both enjoy but I can see myself becoming serious with this whole thing.

    I feel like finding a bike for myself is difficult enough, but finding a used bike out there that is the right price that fits each of us will be nearly impossible, and frankly take too long. So it's not like I can give him a handful of options for him to choose from. Maybe I need to get him integrated with my plans more, with all this research and classifieds searching. I just don't want to end up forcing him to spend all this money and impose this on him.


    If low end models start in the 500s then I guess the only option I can think of is getting a used one for significantly cheaper. Again I really don't want to drop too much here. So right now other than checking out more bike shops around me and wearily browsing craigslist, I'm getting stuck with what to do.

    This seems really nice. But it's a carbon frame. Do you think something is wrong with it?
    Trek 2100 ZX Carbon Series

    And this guy seems to be all over Craigslist
    54 cm ross cromoly down tube shifter lugged road bike light weight

    Again carbon fiber frame...
    TREK 2300 Carbon Composite / Aluminum bike 54cm ROAD bicycle
    The third one is way too much. The first one is interesting, but used carbon fiber scares me. I would never buy a used carbon fiber frame. If it was crashed, you may not know it was damaged until it fails catastrophically. On the other hand, I am very comfortable with used steel frames, and somewhat with used aluminum frames. None of these CL deals looks like anything special. You need to test ride some new bikes so you have a benchmark.

    None of those CL deals does much for me. 1 is carbon and used carbon scares me. 2 looks like a really old low end bike someone put fresh bar tape on. Lipstick on a pig, IMO. And overpriced. 3 is way too expensive for what it is, which is a really old aluminum bike. You can sometimes find better deals on older hybrids than you can on road bikes. Old Trek multi tracks, Specialized Sirrus, and others from the 90s often go for $100 or so in my area.

    As for your Dad, it doesn't sound like he is all that enthusiastic. Biking takes a certain time and financial commitment. Just get a bike and lead by example. Maybe he will come around eventually, maybe not. I say this as someone who watched his Dad eat himself to an early grave, there is only so much you can do.
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    This is probably too big, but a nice entry level road bike at a decent price. Jamis satellite. Jamis Satellite Sport -road bike 58 cm

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    Here is an old Trek 830 mountain bike that could easily be set up as a street bike for $100 or so. Trek 830 Mountain Bike Large

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    Jamis Ventura road bike. I would offer less than $300 but it looks pretty close to what you could get today for $700 or $800

    54cm 2007 Jamis Ventura Sport

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    Trek 730. Asking $140. Worth offering less, as this bike could clean up and be a nice do anything bike. TREK 730

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    Quote Originally Posted by MRT2 View Post
    Jamis Ventura road bike. I would offer less than $300 but it looks pretty close to what you could get today for $700 or $800


    54cm 2007 Jamis Ventura Sport

    I really appreciate you showing me some possibilities around me. This looks like my best bet right now. It seems everything else is a little big for me. For this bike he mentioned new "race" wheels, cassette, and chain put on 2 years ago. I know it depends on usage and how much maintenance you do, but what's a typical life span of parts like these? He mentioned 3000 miles.


    Do wheels like he's put on make any sort of difference, like would they even do anything for me? They actually seem like they almost cost as much as he's asking for this bike... I know many people suggest a wider tire for a smoother ride. Should I put any thought into that?

    But yes I agree I need to test ride some bikes and ask for some assistance from a local bike shop before going to buy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ssnova12 View Post
    I really appreciate you showing me some possibilities around me. This looks like my best bet right now. It seems everything else is a little big for me. For this bike he mentioned new "race" wheels, cassette, and chain put on 2 years ago. I know it depends on usage and how much maintenance you do, but what's a typical life span of parts like these? He mentioned 3000 miles.


    Do wheels like he's put on make any sort of difference, like would they even do anything for me? They actually seem like they almost cost as much as he's asking for this bike... I know many people suggest a wider tire for a smoother ride. Should I put any thought into that?

    But yes I agree I need to test ride some bikes and ask for some assistance from a local bike shop before going to buy.
    if you are asking do wheels matter? The answer is emphatically yes. Are these the right wheels for you? I don't know. I wouldn't use them, but I weigh more than 200 lbs. YMMV.

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    I have been to a handful of LBS now. The last two both said they recently sold one or two road bikes within my budget, so I just missed some opportunity which sucks. One of them really took interest in me and got my information down. They also both recommended I go down the shore farther to Second Life Bikes and I have all intentions of doing so.

    I also brought up my Dad (I haven't taken him to any shops yet) to this guy. He said he has a Giant (OCR or something) hybrid that could fit my Dad but it was downstairs hanging up. Gonna call later today to see what he has to say about it after taking a good look at it like he said he would. He said in the $2-250 range which is nice cause Dad said he has been looking online and says he can't afford anything close to a $500 bike, which is expected. He says he just wants something to be able to keep up with me. This brings up another point. He has quite a gut at ~250 lbs. Would drop handle bars be no good for him? I was thinking maybe this hybrid could be good cause with drops you have to be bent over (his back and belly could inhibit this). But having a straight bar could also be uncomfortable I hear? Also doesn't give extra options of positioning or just the option of moving your hands around so they don't hurt.

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    I believe this is the bike they have in their store.
    I know it's a Giant FCR3 but don't know about the year. He said it would probably be $300 (before he took a look at it he said $200-250, did he up it cause of my interest?). He said he was going to replace all the cables and the rear derailleur. This is what I found on Bikepedia.

    2009 Giant FCR 3 - BikePedia

    I also found out they just got in a Trek road bike recently. He said he thinks the bike is a Trek Pilot (I remember seeing something like "Aluminum 6000 Series" along the seat tube). Also mentioned it's around $950 new and wants to sell it for about $300. It has a carbon fork. Really don't remember anything else about the bike. But I do want to say it had Sora Shifters.

    2006 Trek Pilot 1.0 - BikePedia
    2006 Trek Pilot 1.2 - BikePedia

    I wish I could have taken pictures of the bikes but I lost my phone to water damage the other day so I didn't even have a phone on me that day. I am trying to get back there today to take pictures and ask questions and maybe even test ride these bikes with my dad. Depends on his schedule today.

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    Either could work. If both are in good condition, I would go with the Trek Pilot. I have a bit of a stomach myself, but it doesn't stop me from riding a drop bar road bike. If memory serves, the Pilot was a relaxed geometry road bike, rather than a racing bike. Drop bars are way more versatile than flat bars, IMO. That said, some people hate drop bars and prefer the flat bars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MRT2 View Post
    Either could work. If both are in good condition, I would go with the Trek Pilot. I have a bit of a stomach myself, but it doesn't stop me from riding a drop bar road bike. If memory serves, the Pilot was a relaxed geometry road bike, rather than a racing bike. Drop bars are way more versatile than flat bars, IMO. That said, some people hate drop bars and prefer the flat bars.
    Sorry the Giant is a 58cm (for my dad) and the Trek is a 54cm (for me).

    And can't you add bar ends to a flat bar for another grip?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ssnova12 View Post
    Sorry the Giant is a 58cm (for my dad) and the Trek is a 54cm (for me).

    And can't you add bar ends to a flat bar for another grip?
    Yes, and they help. But drop bars give you 5 hand positions, where as flat bars only give you 1, 2 if you go with bar ends.

    I wouldn't sweat it. If the Giant looks good and your Dad likes it, it might work for him.

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