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    Stock Shimano RS10 vs Mavic Krysium

    Thinking of an upgrade, and a nice set of wheels is a good way of slipping an N+1 past the wife. The RS 10's that came stock on the bike are OK, but I had a spoke go twang on the rear at about 2500 miles. (I am a little bit Clyde) I know a really good wheel builder who is trying to sell me a set of Krysium Elites. He is a LBS owner and a pretty straight up guy. He rebuilt a set of wheels on a hybrid I had been popping spokes on, and was trouble free after the rebuild.

    I am in no position to be a weight weenie, but I do know a little physics and understand the bit about rotational inertia and acceleration, so can justify the purchase on those grounds. What are your thoughts on the merits of the two? I don't remember the price he was asking for the pair, about $600, but he deals, especially since he knows he gets repeat business from me.
    As much as you paid for that Beemer [Mercedies, Audi, Escalade], I'm surprised it didn't come equipped with turn signals.

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    $600 is a bit much for used Elites

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elvo View Post
    $600 is a bit much for used Elites
    Does seem a touch high...maybe they are new? These wheels are not areo, but do hold up to clydes pretty darn well in my experience. I think you'd notice a difference.

    If you are okay with silver and slightly used, I just posted a pair of SL's in the 'marketplace'. I drank the 'wider rim' Kool-aid, and now have too many wheels.
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    They're new, and built with thin aero spokes
    As much as you paid for that Beemer [Mercedies, Audi, Escalade], I'm surprised it didn't come equipped with turn signals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CommuteCommando View Post
    They're new, and built with thin aero spokes
    You mean the stock spoke for that set or something he customized?
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    Kysriums are terrible wheels. They have the least aero design possible. They also have stupid proprietary spokes that cause even more drag in a crosswind.

    I would almost prefer the RS10 to them unless I'm doing a lot of climbing. I quite like RS10.
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    I think the spokes are stock. I'll have to check. Yes, the RS10, are pretty aero, but I do a fair amount of climbing too. Taking pounds off my azz is more important to me at this point and will help more with the climbing than grams off a wheel set.
    As much as you paid for that Beemer [Mercedies, Audi, Escalade], I'm surprised it didn't come equipped with turn signals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by link0 View Post
    Kysriums are terrible wheels.
    Which is why they are so cheap and yet never, ever sell.

    For the OP: The newest 'Elite S' retails for $800. Not worth it (IMO)...might be okay for $600. The non-S version from a year or two ago should be discounted a bit more than that. I'd probably get that spoke replaced and keep shopping. You can grab new take-off Elites on ebay for that price any day of the week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dtrain View Post
    Which is why they are so cheap and yet never, ever sell.
    Yup, they are the most overrated and overpriced wheels ever. I bought a few higher end bikes that came with Ksyrium SL wheels. I never have a problem selling them quickly at an inflated price on CL. Great for me, bad for the buyers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by link0 View Post
    Yup, they are the most overrated and overpriced wheels ever. I bought a few higher end bikes that came with Ksyrium SL wheels. I never have a problem selling them quickly at an inflated price on CL. Great for me, bad for the buyers.
    Hey - quiet down now - I've got a few pairs of those to sell.

    My opinion of them differs a bit...but it's not a complete 180 from yours. No way I'd pay anywhere close to retail.
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    Interesting the few comments about them not selling. I see quite a few down here. I'll be looking at more options. I had that spoke fixed weeks ago, by the guy who has the Mavics.
    As much as you paid for that Beemer [Mercedies, Audi, Escalade], I'm surprised it didn't come equipped with turn signals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by link0 View Post
    Kysriums are terrible wheels. They have the least aero design possible. They also have stupid proprietary spokes that cause even more drag in a crosswind.

    I would almost prefer the RS10 to them unless I'm doing a lot of climbing. I quite like RS10.
    Quote Originally Posted by link0 View Post
    Yup, they are the most overrated and overpriced wheels ever. I bought a few higher end bikes that came with Ksyrium SL wheels. I never have a problem selling them quickly at an inflated price on CL. Great for me, bad for the buyers.
    Quote Originally Posted by dtrain View Post
    Hey - quiet down now - I've got a few pairs of those to sell.

    My opinion of them differs a bit...but it's not a complete 180 from yours. No way I'd pay anywhere close to retail.
    Jeez, I love my Elites and have them on all 5 of my bikes. I didn't pay retail but wouldn't hesitate to do so. I'm skeptical as to why the op's wheel builder needs to build up the set. They should come already built up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by longbeachgary View Post
    Jeez, I love my Elites and have them on all 5 of my bikes. I didn't pay retail but wouldn't hesitate to do so. I'm skeptical as to why the op's wheel builder needs to build up the set. They should come already built up.
    Yeah, I doubt he's building them. Either way, it is an odd recommendation from a 'wheel builder.'
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    Quote Originally Posted by CommuteCommando View Post
    Interesting the few comments about them not selling. I see quite a few down here. I'll be looking at more options. I had that spoke fixed weeks ago, by the guy who has the Mavics.
    I was just playing with link0 a bit there. He's not alone (of course), but obviously the market disagrees with his opinion of Mavics. Maybe it's just the bling factor. He's dead on regarding the aero stuff.

    I've liked my Mavics, but found them almost too stiff (depending on the frame) for just general comfort/training. Tried running wider tires and that barely worked as the rims are quite narrow. Lately I've been trying out this wider rim business (Pacenti's and HED C2's). Jury is still out...but I've floated a few ads for my Ksyriums just to see.
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    I run a pair of Krysiums on my Fuji, and agree they're not phenomenal. But not bad and they can take a beating.

    What I plan on replacing them with is Ritchey's new WCS Zeta IIs. Anyone have any experience on top of those? I'm looking for wheels for my style of riding: #1 endurance, #2 comfort, #3 durability. I'm not a fan of deep-rimed wheels because my experience is feeling more bumps through them.
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    Hello everyone hope all is well, new to forums hope i'm doing this correct. I'm looking at a backup wheelset for my supersix. I have the choice between shimano wh r501 bladed spoke wheelset schwalbe lugano tires never been ridden or shimano wh RS10 bladed Vittoria Rubino very lightly used. There both takeoffs from shop bikes so when I say lightly used very low mileage on the s10's. Price difference is $10 so that doesnt really factor in, also a pair of Mavic Aksium mileage under 2k, price on those is about $35 cheaper would appreciate your opinions thanks.

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    Welcome. No, you are not doing this correctly. Please delete your post and start your own thread.

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    Mavic junk for $600

    or

    DA 9000 28 hole rear hub: $267 shipped
    DA 9000 24 hole front hub: $138 shipped
    DA 9000 skewers: Come with hub
    Set of Pacenti rims: $200
    52 Sapim Lasers: $50
    Nipples: $10
    Park Tension meter: $60
    Screw driver: In your garage
    Mike T's website

    Premium wheels: $725

    You're welcome.

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    I don't even want to know where Jiggle finds nipples for $10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jiggle View Post
    Mavic junk for $600

    or

    DA 9000 28 hole rear hub: $267 shipped
    DA 9000 24 hole front hub: $138 shipped
    DA 9000 skewers: Come with hub
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    You're welcome.
    I'll take the Mavic junk please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by artistundenied View Post
    Hello everyone hope all is well, new to forums hope i'm doing this correct. I'm looking at a backup wheelset for my supersix. I have the choice between shimano wh r501 bladed spoke wheelset schwalbe lugano tires never been ridden or shimano wh RS10 bladed Vittoria Rubino very lightly used. There both takeoffs from shop bikes so when I say lightly used very low mileage on the s10's. Price difference is $10 so that doesnt really factor in, also a pair of Mavic Aksium mileage under 2k, price on those is about $35 cheaper would appreciate your opinions thanks.
    Any of those are fine as garage back-ups.
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    Quote Originally Posted by longbeachgary View Post
    I'll take the Mavic junk please.
    And that's how they stay in business.

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    these wheels are pretty heavy, but if you're ok with that, than just fix the spoke and stick with them. i'm a Cylde too, and probably heavier than you, but a spoke breaking after only 2500 miles is pretty cheesy. are you looking for something lighter or more aero or a bit of both?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jiggle View Post
    And that's how they stay in business.
    That and the fact that I have a set on each of my 7 bikes (5 of mine and 2 of the wife's) going back at least 6 years and they are as straight and true as the day I put them on. Obviously you had a bad experience - maybe you should try to let it go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by longbeachgary View Post
    That and the fact that I have a set on each of my 7 bikes (5 of mine and 2 of the wife's) going back at least 6 years and they are as straight and true as the day I put them on. Obviously you had a bad experience - maybe you should try to let it go.
    Sometimes I roll on Aksiums, but I won't pay a penny over $150 for a set of Mavics (unless CCU). I just don't like their engineering.

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