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    Quote Originally Posted by raqball View Post
    I am now firmly in the hate them camp.
    I'll pay for shipping, send them my way. I'll rock em in the goat head laden desert.

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    Quote Originally Posted by halfspeed View Post
    Like everything else in the world, there are tradeoffs. The GP4000s have good flat protection for lightweight tires with a reasonably good ride. This is not acceptable for people who see each flat as a catastrophe and are willing to give up other virtues in favor of prevention.
    Thank you for the rational response..

    I don't see each flat as a catastrophe but if I can, I like to avoid them. 2 flats in 2 days is a bit much on brand new tires. The one on the 1st day and on the front was a goathead. I get it, goatheads cause flats quite often on regular ole tires and that's one reason why I generally roll with the Armadillos. I frequently pull goatheads out of them and no flat results..

    I was obviously under the misguided impression that the GP's had good flat protection, my bad!

    The 2nd flat on the rear on 2nd day of use was the end of these tires for me.. I really don't know what caused the 2nd flat but I am not interested in changing a flat daily. I'd rather ride...
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    `I don't factor in flat protection in my tire purchasing decision making.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raqball View Post
    I am happy with the Armadillos and they do in fact have above average flat protection. They are heavy but it takes a lot to flat them.

    I am well aware of the GP 4000's reputation, which is why I purchased them. Most rave about them, some hate them. I am now firmly in the hate them camp.

    I ordered them based on the people who rave about them. Many of these GP raves have commented about the great flat protection of the tire.. Since I will never use them again, I can't comment on their longevity but to say they have flat protection is kind of laughable.

    The glass that I ran over was what you typically see on every road across the planet earth. You know, the you can't see it in the road but you can see it sparkle as the sunlight hits it kind of glass? Ya, thats the mega debris field that I went over. I am not positive that's what even caused the 2nd flat because there was no glass embedded into the tire.

    At any rate, those of you who the like GP's, pedal on and those who hate the GP can also pedal on, just with a different tire!
    Thats fine for you. IME armadillos are one of the worst handling tires out there, well below the gp4k and even the gatorskin. Certainly not a race like tire. They aren't in the same class at all and if you had actually read reviews critically and looked at their comparative construction you would have known to not expect similar flat performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bt View Post
    `I don't factor in flat protection in my tire purchasing decision making.
    I do.. I live in the desert (home of the goathead) and 40% of my rides are on crud laden city streets. Flat protection for me, is a must..
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    I went through so many Pro4 tires in one year. They seem to cut so easily. Nice riding and handling tire though. I live on the East coast so the roads can be pretty littered up with broken glass especially in spring. The end of last summer I and my wife switched to the conti 4000. I had one cut side wall this spring. Nothing since and we both ride about 100 mi/wk. Maybe just lucky but my vote is Conti 4000S

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    Quote Originally Posted by redlude97 View Post
    Thats fine for you. IME armadillos are one of the worst handling tires out there, well below the gp4k and even the gatorskin. Certainly not a race like tire. They aren't in the same class at all and if you had actually read reviews critically and looked at their comparative construction you would have known to not expect similar flat performance.
    Why such anger all because I don't like the tire? I did read reviews and most said the GP's had great flat protection.. Nice job of assuming.................

    Where did I say I wanted to race on the Armadillos or the GP's? Please leave the drama at the door..

    I said I wanted a lighter tire..

    Direct from the tire description

    • VectranTM breaker for unsurpassed puncture protection
    The part in bold is just flat out funny...
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    Quote Originally Posted by bt View Post
    sidewall cuts are from not watching where you're going.
    Correct. It's a user problem. No way to compare one tire to another.
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    Quote Originally Posted by raqball View Post
    Why such anger all because I don't like the tire? I did read reviews and most said the GP's had great flat protection.. Nice job of assuming.................

    Where did I say I wanted to race on the Armadillos or the GP's? Please leave the drama at the door..

    I said I wanted a lighter tire..
    The problem is that you bought completely the wrong tire for your application based on skimming some reviews without actually looking in detail. If you had you would have know that the gatorskin or gatorskin hardshell would have been better choices for your emphasis. Again, as stated above
    Quote Originally Posted by StanSeven View Post
    Excellent flat protection for training/race tires. If your regular tires are Armadillos and you ride in goatheads and broken glass frequently, that's not GP4000 or similar type tire conditions
    Show me where in previous reviews that this isn't the general consensus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raqball View Post
    Thank you for the rational response..

    I don't see each flat as a catastrophe but if I can, I like to avoid them. 2 flats in 2 days is a bit much on brand new tires. The one on the 1st day and on the front was a goathead. I get it, goatheads cause flats quite often on regular ole tires and that's one reason why I generally roll with the Armadillos. I frequently pull goatheads out of them and no flat results..

    I was obviously under the misguided impression that the GP's had good flat protection, my bad!

    The 2nd flat on the rear on 2nd day of use was the end of these tires for me.. I really don't know what caused the 2nd flat but I am not interested in changing a flat daily. I'd rather ride...
    They do have good flat protection. Your misguided impression was that they were bullet proof. I ride on these tires with the reasonable expectation that I might get a flat every once in a while. Somehow I have managed to get 500 miles out of these tires without a flat. I must be the luckiest person, not running over goatheads, in the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redlude97 View Post
    If you had you would have know that the gatorskin or gatorskin hardshell would have been better choices for your emphasis
    Had Gatorskins and hated them.. Had one almost get sliced in half going over a cattle grid at about 2 mph.. I've been using the Armadillos for a few years now with very limited issues.. I get it, you don't like the Armadillos and that's fine, I can accept that. What i don't get is why you can't accept the fact that I don't like the GP's..

    Do you have stock or a financial interest in Continental? if so, then I'd get it..
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    Quote Originally Posted by aubiecat View Post
    They do have good flat protection. Your misguided impression was that they were bullet proof. I ride on these tires with the reasonable expectation that I might get a flat every once in a while
    I think I've said a few times that it was MY mistake buying the tires.. As far as them having flat protections goes.. Protection against what? A banana?
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    Quote Originally Posted by raqball View Post
    Had Gatorskins and hated them.. Had one almost get sliced in half going over a cattle grid at about 2 mph.. I've been using the Armadillos for a few years now with very limited issues.. I get it, you don't like the Armadillos and that's fine, I can accprt that. What i don't get is why you can't accept the fact that I don't like the GP's..

    Do you have stock or a financial interest in Continental? if so, then I'd get it..
    Again, you still don't have any grasp on what the problem is. It isn't with you not liking the GP's, its that you bought the wrong tire for your application and blamed the tires, and its because you didn't do your homework thoroughly. Just google gp4000s and goat heads and you will see dozens of threads recommending NOT using them if you expect those on your ride. There's a bunch of other tires that don't protect against goatheads either, tires have their correct applications, why is that so hard to understand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by redlude97 View Post
    Again, you still don't have any grasp on what the problem is. It isn't with you not liking the GP's, its that you bought the wrong tire for your application and blamed the tires, and its because you didn't do your homework thoroughly. Just google gp4000s and goat heads and you will see dozens of threads recommending NOT using them if you expect those on your ride. There's a bunch of other tires that don't protect against goatheads either, tires have their correct applications, why is that so hard to understand?
    Direct from the tire description

    • VectranTM breaker for unsurpassed puncture protection
    The part in bold is just flat out funny...
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    Quote Originally Posted by redlude97 View Post
    Again, you still don't have any grasp on what the problem is. It isn't with you not liking the GP's, its that you bought the wrong tire for your application and blamed the tires, and its because you didn't do your homework thoroughly. Just google gp4000s and goat heads and you will see dozens of threads recommending NOT using them if you expect those on your ride. There's a bunch of other tires that don't protect against goatheads either, tires have their correct applications, why is that so hard to understand?
    Excuse my ignorance, but just what is a "goathead"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SundayNiagara View Post
    Excuse my ignorance, but just what is a "goathead"?
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    never underestimate the idiocy of BF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SundayNiagara View Post
    Excuse my ignorance, but just what is a "goathead"?
    Evil little punks that roam the desert and like to jump onto / into tires..

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    Quote Originally Posted by raqball View Post
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    The part in bold is just flat out funny...
    Did you look at the picture of the construction of the tire? The Vectran only covers a narrow section of the tire. You got a goathead in the sidewall....

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    Quote Originally Posted by raqball View Post
    Evil bastards that roam the desert and like to jump onto / into tires..

    Quote Originally Posted by RUOkie View Post
    never underestimate the idiocy of BF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raqball View Post
    I think I've said a few times that it was MY mistake buying the tires.. As far as them having flat protections goes.. Protection against what? A banana?
    If it was your mistake buying the wrong tires why do you hate them? You should hate yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aubiecat View Post
    If it was your mistake buying the wrong tires why do you hate them? You should hate yourself.
    Life is to short man. Try treating people with respect.. My .02

    I realized my mistake after the 2 flats.. For them to claim flat protection is laughable..

    Nope I don't hate myself, sorry to ruin your evening..
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    Quote Originally Posted by raqball View Post
    Life is to short man. Try treating people with respect.. My .02

    I realized my mistake after the 2 flats.. For them to claim flat protection is laughable..

    Nope I don't hate myself, sorry to ruin your evening..
    You seem to be confusing "flat protection" with "flat proof". The latter is impossible. The former is a matter of degree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by halfspeed View Post
    You seem to be confusing "flat protection" with "flat proof". The latter is impossible. The former is a matter of degree.
    I am not confusing the 2 at all.. I understand that nothing is flat proof..

    Let me reword then:

    The level of flat protection that the GP 4000S II offer is very poor and is not what I expected after reading numerous reviews..

    Better?
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    Quote Originally Posted by raqball View Post
    I am not confusing the 2 at all.. I understand that nothing is flat proof..

    Let me reword then:

    The level of flat protection that the GP 4000S II offer is very poor and is not what I expected after reading numerous reviews..

    Better?
    Not really. They have very good flat protection for lightweight supple racing tires.
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    Quote Originally Posted by halfspeed View Post
    Not really. They have very good flat protection for lightweight supple racing tires.
    Ok then I give up..

    If people like em then they should rock em.. Me? I would not buy them again if they were $5 apiece..
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