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Road Cycling It is by riding a bicycle that you learn the contours of a country best, since you have to sweat up the hills and coast down them. Thus you remember them as they actually are, while in a motor car only a high hill impresses you, and you have no such accurate remembrance of country you have driven through as you gain by riding a bicycle. -- Ernest Hemingway

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Old 06-17-14, 10:14 PM   #126
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Ok then I give up..

If people like em then they should rock em.. Me? I would not buy them again if they were $5 apiece..
Some of us do like them you know. I have probably 11-12k miles on two sets of GP4000S tires and three punctures in that time (all on a rear tire with 5-6k miles on it at the time.) I do not miss the ride quality or rolling resistance of tires like the Gatorskin or Durano Plus.
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Old 06-17-14, 10:24 PM   #127
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I'll pay for shipping, send them my way. I'll rock em in the goat head laden desert.
I'll pay for shipping AND give you an extra $5!
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Old 06-17-14, 10:39 PM   #128
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Fortunately, there are dozens of tires to choose from, so sometimes we just need to cut our losses and move on to something else.

I'm betting that you mostly just had a bad run, I know that I have. Three flats in three days kind of run, uggh.
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Old 06-18-14, 07:16 AM   #129
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Life is to short man. Try treating people with respect.. My .02

I realized my mistake after the 2 flats.. For them to claim flat protection is laughable..

Nope I don't hate myself, sorry to ruin your evening..
My evening wasn't ruined. Watching you try to explain an irrational hatred for such an excellent racing tire has been humorous.
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Old 06-18-14, 07:44 AM   #130
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I'm betting that you mostly just had a bad run, I know that I have. Three flats in three days kind of run, uggh.


It could very well have just been a bad run or maybe I was just 'due' for the flats. Maybe I got a defective set? Who knows. 2 flats in 2 days on brand new tires is a 1st for me.

I could have done without the internet tantrums displayed in this thread thought. I said I didn't like a tire, whoop-de-doo.. I'd hope that I would not act like a child just because someone said they didn't like Armadillo tires.

It's all good! I am bringing / giving the tires to a local co-op / bike kitchen later today..
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It could very well have just been a bad run or maybe I was just 'due' for the flats. Maybe I got a defective set? Who knows. 2 flats in 2 days on brand new tires is a 1st for me.

I could have done without the internet tantrums displayed in this thread thought. I said I didn't like a tire, whoop-de-doo.. I'd hope that I would not act like a child just because someone said they didn't like Armadillo tires.

It's all good! I am bringing / giving the tires to a local co-op / bike kitchen later today..
Not just any tire....you said you didnt like the almighty revered and worshipped Conti. You just cant do that here. There are just two brands of tires here, Conti's and non-Conti's.
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Not just any tire....you said you didnt like the almighty revered and worshipped Conti. You just cant do that here. There are just two brands of tires here, Conti's and non-Conti's.


My bad! I knew a lot of people liked them but I had no clue they have a mob/cult like following..

Lesson learned on my part! I am sure my local co-op will put them to good use.

Pedal on and I hope everyone has a safe cycling day, no matter your tire of choice!

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Just keep a look over your shoulder and lay low for a while.
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Just keep a look over your shoulder and lay low for a while.
Oh I'm not worried about the tantrums and mean spirited people.. They are everywhere in life but the internet does appear to be a gathering spot for them.

I can only hope that the way some act on the internet towards others does not translate into how they act in their real, away from the internet life.

On a bright note my old and worn Armadillos got me through yesterdays ride without incident. Today after I hit the bike kitchen to drop off the GP's it's to the LBS with me to grab a new set of Armadillos.
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My bad! I knew a lot of people liked them but I had no clue they have a mob/cult like following..

Lesson learned on my part! I am sure my local co-op will put them to good use.

Pedal on and I hope everyone has a safe cycling day, no matter your tire of choice!
40 posts later, and that's your takeaway? Well, hopefully someone else learned something about fair criticism and selecting tires.
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...Breaking News Update: Big Internet Blowup Over Tires !! #filmateleven
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40 posts later, and that's your takeaway?
Yes..

My bike came stock with the Specialized Espoir Elite tires

Would you consider them to be a lesser tire than the GP's?

I rode them on the exact same routes that caused the GP's to flat. I would assume the GP's are considered a better tire.. Yes/No?

Either way it's all good. I am sure my bike kitchen will be happy to take the GP's off my hands and maybe someone can get some use out them..

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Yes..

My bike came stock with these tires:

Specialized Bicycle Components

Would you consider them to be a lesser tire than the GP's?

I rode them on the exact same routes that caused the GP's to flat. Not a single issue with them at all = zero flats! I would assume the GP's are considered a better tire.. Yes/No?
Oh, routes cause flats? See, I didn't realize that, so you've been right all along, the tires are absolute junk!

As an aside, if a goat head falls on the road, and your tires don't hit it, does the goat head even exist?

Man, I'm so glad we're having this conversation...these are big f***in' issues that you can't talk to about with just anyone, I mean, they'd think we were batsh*t crazy.
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you've been right all along, the tires are absolute junk!
Finally! We agree!

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Oh, routes cause flats? See, I didn't realize that

As an aside, if a goat head falls on the road, and your tires don't hit it, does the goat head even exist?
If you read the thread an assumption was made that I chose the wrong tire based on the routes that I ride. Goatheads and glass in roadway ect. Maybe reading a little next time will be helpful to your responses..

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Why is it that tires tend to be so polarizing and inconsistent? Often you'll see someone say "Tire A got 3 flats before I left my driveway and Tire B works perfectly" and then someone else will say the exact opposite.

I have an old set of Schwalbe Marathons on my hybrid which have worked well, mind you I think they only have 600 km on them. I've also picked up Pro 4 Service course for my road bike and have put about 200 km on those in the last couple weeks and they ride very nicely compared to the stock Vitoria Zaffiros.
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Old 06-18-14, 09:55 AM   #142
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Why is it that tires tend to be so polarizing and inconsistent? Often you'll see someone say "Tire A got 3 flats before I left my driveway and Tire B works perfectly" and then someone else will say the exact opposite.
I suppose the polarization comes from people drawing dogmatic conclusions from very limited experience. A sample of one person, one set of tires, and a few miles -- even a few thousand miles -- is no basis for conclusions. The user can't know whether they've been lucky, unlucky, incompetent, subject to confirmation bias, etc.... State what you like, your rationale. Accept that others have their rationale. Learn from their insights, but know that unless they're running tests in fixed conditions and measuring the results and the statistical significance, their insights are opinions, not proven facts.
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Why is it that tires tend to be so polarizing and inconsistent? Often you'll see someone say "Tire A got 3 flats before I left my driveway and Tire B works perfectly" and then someone else will say the exact opposite.
Try the topic of chainlube.
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In review......
People who ride Conti tires without getting flats every day are a visceral mob of devil cult worshipers.
People who ride them without incident and relay their experiences are just big mean spirited meanies.
People who ride Armadillos are very sensitive and have no sense of humor.
People who are sensitive and can't avoid road debris should use tires that have an intense mil-spec rating.
People who garner unrealistic assumptions about a tire's performance should burn the whole tire company at the stake when it doesn't perform up to that standard.

I'm going to suggestion to NASA engineers; the next recoverable space vehicle they build should be lined with Armadillo bicycle tires because, certainly, they can stand the extreme conditions of reentry to earth's atmosphere.
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I suppose the polarization comes from people drawing dogmatic conclusions from very limited experience. A sample of one person, one set of tires, and a few miles -- even a few thousand miles -- is no basis for conclusions. The user can't know whether they've been lucky, unlucky, incompetent, subject to confirmation bias, etc.... State what you like, your rationale. Accept that others have their rationale. Learn from their insights, but know that unless they're running tests in fixed conditions and measuring the results and the statistical significance, their insights are opinions, not proven facts.
I agree with this..

My 1st flat with the goathead I simply shrugged off as being unlucky. They are pesky little punks and this one was obviously on a suicide mission! 9 out of 10 times I can just pluck these punks out of my Armadillos and continue on, flat free. So the goathead flat on day one was not a big deal...

The 2nd flat on the 2nd day of use did sour me towards these tires. I still don't quite know what cause that flat. It was not a pinch, there was no debris in the tire and while there was small specks of glass in the roadway I doubt they were the cause. Perhaps I ran something over I didn't see, it punctured the tube and didn't stick in the tire. Possible. I suppose it's possible that the tube just failed all on it's own. There is a very tiny hole in it and perhaps it's time was just up..

Either way I don't know to many people who would sing the praise of anything that failed them twice in such a short amount of time / use. These were brand new right out of the box tires that failed twice, within 2 days and within a very small amount of milage..

It get, people like this tire. That's fine with me as it's their money and their choice to buy it. Maybe I got defective tires? Maybe the tube was the fault of the 2nd flat? Maybe I was just due?

It's all good! Pedal on!
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It is NOT "all good" until your punishment is deemed complete!



I sure don't miss goatheads. Those things were the bane of my desert-rat childhood. Not so much for biking reasons but because they'd punch through a calloused bare foot like a thumb tack and hurt for a month afterwards! I had many a hole poked in me in the desert- everything is thorny- but goatheads stand out as the nastiest.
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I sure don't miss goatheads. Those things were the bane of my desert-rat childhood. Not so much for biking reasons but because they'd punch through a calloused bare foot like a thumb tack and hurt for a month afterwards! I had many a hole poked in me in the desert- everything is thorny- but goatheads stand out as the nastiest.
I seriously dislike the little punks! Goatheads and the suicidal squirrels who want to try and jump through your spokes are part of the reason that I avoid the bike path. The paths here at least are littered with them both.
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I'm going to suggestion to NASA engineers; the next recoverable space vehicle they build should be lined with Armadillo bicycle tires because, certainly, they can stand the extreme conditions of reentry to earth's atmosphere.
...because, certainly, this is a far better use of them than riding a bicycle on them. They've come on several used bikes I've bought...quickly given away.
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Thanks, I've never seen these in South Florida. However, since I live in Hialeah, there's plenty of crap on the roads.
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The glass that I ran over was what you typically see on every road across the planet earth. You know, the you can't see it in the road but you can see it sparkle as the sunlight hits it kind of glass? Ya, thats the mega debris field that I went over. I am not positive that's what even caused the 2nd flat because there was no glass embedded into the tire.
While I have no idea what you ran over, most of what you are describing isn't glass. It's aggregate used in the makeup of asphalt that can contain silica and other bits that reflect light - particularly on more worn surfaces where it's more exposed.
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