just not a big fan of the conti 4000s tires....
06-17-14, 06:15 PM
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Like everything else in the world, there are tradeoffs. The GP4000s have good flat protection for lightweight tires with a reasonably good ride. This is not acceptable for people who see each flat as a catastrophe and are willing to give up other virtues in favor of prevention.
I don't see each flat as a catastrophe but if I can, I like to avoid them. 2 flats in 2 days is a bit much on brand new tires. The one on the 1st day and on the front was a goathead. I get it, goatheads cause flats quite often on regular ole tires and that's one reason why I generally roll with the Armadillos. I frequently pull goatheads out of them and no flat results..
I was obviously under the misguided impression that the GP's had good flat protection, my bad!
The 2nd flat on the rear on 2nd day of use was the end of these tires for me.. I really don't know what caused the 2nd flat but I am not interested in changing a flat daily. I'd rather ride...
06-17-14, 06:47 PM
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I am happy with the Armadillos and they do in fact have above average flat protection. They are heavy but it takes a lot to flat them.
I am well aware of the GP 4000's reputation, which is why I purchased them. Most rave about them, some hate them. I am now firmly in the hate them camp.
I ordered them based on the people who rave about them. Many of these GP raves have commented about the great flat protection of the tire.. Since I will never use them again, I can't comment on their longevity but to say they have flat protection is kind of laughable.
The glass that I ran over was what you typically see on every road across the planet earth. You know, the you can't see it in the road but you can see it sparkle as the sunlight hits it kind of glass? Ya, thats the mega debris field that I went over. I am not positive that's what even caused the 2nd flat because there was no glass embedded into the tire.
At any rate, those of you who the like GP's, pedal on and those who hate the GP can also pedal on, just with a different tire!
I am well aware of the GP 4000's reputation, which is why I purchased them. Most rave about them, some hate them. I am now firmly in the hate them camp.
I ordered them based on the people who rave about them. Many of these GP raves have commented about the great flat protection of the tire.. Since I will never use them again, I can't comment on their longevity but to say they have flat protection is kind of laughable.
The glass that I ran over was what you typically see on every road across the planet earth. You know, the you can't see it in the road but you can see it sparkle as the sunlight hits it kind of glass? Ya, thats the mega debris field that I went over. I am not positive that's what even caused the 2nd flat because there was no glass embedded into the tire.
At any rate, those of you who the like GP's, pedal on and those who hate the GP can also pedal on, just with a different tire!
06-17-14, 06:49 PM
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I went through so many Pro4 tires in one year. They seem to cut so easily. Nice riding and handling tire though. I live on the East coast so the roads can be pretty littered up with broken glass especially in spring. The end of last summer I and my wife switched to the conti 4000. I had one cut side wall this spring. Nothing since and we both ride about 100 mi/wk. Maybe just lucky but my vote is Conti 4000S
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Thats fine for you. IME armadillos are one of the worst handling tires out there, well below the gp4k and even the gatorskin. Certainly not a race like tire. They aren't in the same class at all and if you had actually read reviews critically and looked at their comparative construction you would have known to not expect similar flat performance.
Where did I say I wanted to race on the Armadillos or the GP's? Please leave the drama at the door..
I said I wanted a lighter tire..
Direct from the tire description
- VectranTM breaker for unsurpassed puncture protection
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06-17-14, 06:58 PM
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Why such anger all because I don't like the tire? I did read reviews and most said the GP's had great flat protection.. Nice job of assuming.................
Where did I say I wanted to race on the Armadillos or the GP's? Please leave the drama at the door..
I said I wanted a lighter tire..
Where did I say I wanted to race on the Armadillos or the GP's? Please leave the drama at the door..
I said I wanted a lighter tire..
Show me where in previous reviews that this isn't the general consensus.
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Thank you for the rational response..
I don't see each flat as a catastrophe but if I can, I like to avoid them. 2 flats in 2 days is a bit much on brand new tires. The one on the 1st day and on the front was a goathead. I get it, goatheads cause flats quite often on regular ole tires and that's one reason why I generally roll with the Armadillos. I frequently pull goatheads out of them and no flat results..
I was obviously under the misguided impression that the GP's had good flat protection, my bad!
The 2nd flat on the rear on 2nd day of use was the end of these tires for me.. I really don't know what caused the 2nd flat but I am not interested in changing a flat daily. I'd rather ride...
I don't see each flat as a catastrophe but if I can, I like to avoid them. 2 flats in 2 days is a bit much on brand new tires. The one on the 1st day and on the front was a goathead. I get it, goatheads cause flats quite often on regular ole tires and that's one reason why I generally roll with the Armadillos. I frequently pull goatheads out of them and no flat results..
I was obviously under the misguided impression that the GP's had good flat protection, my bad!
The 2nd flat on the rear on 2nd day of use was the end of these tires for me.. I really don't know what caused the 2nd flat but I am not interested in changing a flat daily. I'd rather ride...
06-17-14, 07:07 PM
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Do you have stock or a financial interest in Continental? if so, then I'd get it..
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I think I've said a few times that it was MY mistake buying the tires.. As far as them having flat protections goes.. Protection against what? A banana?
06-17-14, 07:13 PM
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Had Gatorskins and hated them.. Had one almost get sliced in half going over a cattle grid at about 2 mph.. I've been using the Armadillos for a few years now with very limited issues.. I get it, you don't like the Armadillos and that's fine, I can accprt that. What i don't get is why you can't accept the fact that I don't like the GP's..
Do you have stock or a financial interest in Continental? if so, then I'd get it..
Do you have stock or a financial interest in Continental? if so, then I'd get it..
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Again, you still don't have any grasp on what the problem is. It isn't with you not liking the GP's, its that you bought the wrong tire for your application and blamed the tires, and its because you didn't do your homework thoroughly. Just google gp4000s and goat heads and you will see dozens of threads recommending NOT using them if you expect those on your ride. There's a bunch of other tires that don't protect against goatheads either, tires have their correct applications, why is that so hard to understand?
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Again, you still don't have any grasp on what the problem is. It isn't with you not liking the GP's, its that you bought the wrong tire for your application and blamed the tires, and its because you didn't do your homework thoroughly. Just google gp4000s and goat heads and you will see dozens of threads recommending NOT using them if you expect those on your ride. There's a bunch of other tires that don't protect against goatheads either, tires have their correct applications, why is that so hard to understand?
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I realized my mistake after the 2 flats.. For them to claim flat protection is laughable..
Nope I don't hate myself, sorry to ruin your evening..
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You seem to be confusing "flat protection" with "flat proof". The latter is impossible. The former is a matter of degree.
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Let me reword then:
The level of flat protection that the GP 4000S II offer is very poor and is not what I expected after reading numerous reviews..
Better?
06-17-14, 08:41 PM
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Not really. They have very good flat protection for lightweight supple racing tires.
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