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Old 06-03-14, 03:35 PM   #1
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just not a big fan of the conti 4000s tires....

they're good for wear but i like a more supple ride.
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Old 06-03-14, 03:41 PM   #2
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Heretic!!

You are probably over-inflating them btw.
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Try 25s
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How much more supple do you want? If youre on a 23, try something bigger. Its already a 330 TPI. Try a set of Vittoria EVO CX's, or get some tubulars. If none of those work, Ive seen some pretty sweet deals beach cruisers at Performance or a Pugsley bike here or there

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lol, GP4000s are 110 TPI though. Continental marketing department is very happy with you right now.
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tried the 23mm and 25mm and they're ok but not great.

running a set of shwalbe durano s tires now and so far so good.

not sure about wear yet.

I run about 105/100psi. FWIW.
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lol, GP4000s are 110 TPI though. Continental marketing department is very happy with you right now.
IIRC where I read, they arent 110 TPI total. If it was total 110, they would be horse **** for tires. Its 110 per layer, Combined all 3 layers were 330 TPI.

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If you want a supple ride, but don't want to spend a lot of cash, try Michelin PRO4 SC tires. They wear about the same as GP4000s tires(okay for a race tire) but are cheaper and more supple.

With wider hoops, the ride is every bit as nice as the best tubulars around.
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I thought people bought them because they are light on the scale without breaking the bank.
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IIRC where I read, they arent 110 TPI total. If it was total 110, they would be horse s h i t for tires. Its 110 per layer, Combined all 3 layers were 330 TPI.
So you're saying they're 110 TPI...
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If you want a supple ride, but don't want to spend a lot of cash, try Michelin PRO4 SC tires. They wear about the same as GP4000s tires(okay for a race tire) but are cheaper and more supple.

With wider hoops, the ride is every bit as nice as the best tubulars around.

soon as i run thru these shwalbe's ill try those.
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So you're saying they're 110 TPI...
if u count the other tire they're 660 tpi, lol.
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So you're saying they're 110 TPI...
No thats not what said, I had mentioned they were 110 PER Layer, with 3 layers totalling 330. No one would advertise what a single layer has and leave it at that. Of course they would say what it totals.
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It is widely thought that some of the competitors to Conti report the per layer thread count, not the total. That would put them abead of Conti if true.
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+1 suppleness is to do with the tpi in one layer/axis , so 330 tpi is superior to 110tpi layered, that is pretty obvious.

And they are "horse ****" for tyres but admittedly they are more durable than the other high end tyres.

I would recommend the Veloflex Corsa 23 or 25 instead, there is a big difference in ride quality and RR (may be a placebo effect since the ride is so much better, LOL).

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they're good for wear but i like a more supple ride.
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No thats not what said, I had mentioned they were 110 PER Layer, with 3 layers totalling 330. No one would advertise what a single layer has and leave it at that. Of course they would say what it totals.
A higher TPI makes for a more supple tire because less rubber is needed to make the carcass. I don't see how the bottom two layers would help in that regard but of course I'm no tire engineer. I had a set of those. IMO the $28 Forte Pro+ is more supple. Outstanding tires, actually. They just don't have the cool brand name on the outside.
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I run about 105/100psi. FWIW.
Probably too high unless you weigh north of 200lbs. I run mine at 80-85psi on wide alloy rims (23F/25R; 165lbs.)
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Probably too high unless you weigh north of 200lbs. I run mine at 80-85psi on wide alloy rims (23F/25R; 165lbs.)
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If you want a supple ride, but don't want to spend a lot of cash, try Michelin PRO4 SC tires. They wear about the same as GP4000s tires(okay for a race tire) but are cheaper and more supple.

With wider hoops, the ride is every bit as nice as the best tubulars around.
winner.

bought some Conti GP 4000s tires, I was never happy with the ride quality (comfort wise). 250 miles into the new set, fatal sidewall cut. Looked up these tires and it seems sidewall cuts are common.

bought a set of Mich Pro 4 SC...immediatly noticed the better ride quality. 2000+ miles later, not even so much as a single flat.

(100psi, 23mm tires on 23mm ROL Race SL wheels)

Long story short...next set of tires will be Pro 4...
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winner.

bought some Conti GP 4000s tires, I was never happy with the ride quality (comfort wise). 250 miles into the new set, fatal sidewall cut. Looked up these tires and it seems sidewall cuts are common.

bought a set of Mich Pro 4 SC...immediatly noticed the better ride quality. 2000+ miles later, not even so much as a single flat.

(100psi, 23mm tires on 23mm ROL Race SL wheels)

Long story short...next set of tires will be Pro 4...
i love PRO4 SC tires, but they are not durable. They are cheap, and they ride like butter, but they are not durable. I have accepted the qualities they have, and accepted the FACT that they aren't durable.

The ride is just too good to hate their weakness.
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Move up to handmade Italian open tubulars: Veloflex Corsa 23
Don't forget the Vittoria Latex tube,

The Vittoria performance FAQ's, are interesting

http://www.vittoria.com/tech/faq/
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I'm using Conti GP4000s on both rigs and for the price, cannot complain about how well they perform and the wear I get from them. I did recently have one fail - hit a very decent rock in low-light, and fatally damaged the sidewall - but all in all, they are a fairly good value tyre that work well in wet/dry and are good enough to race on for a hack such as myself.

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