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    just not a big fan of the conti 4000s tires....

    they're good for wear but i like a more supple ride.

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    Heretic!!

    You are probably over-inflating them btw.
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    Try 25s
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    How much more supple do you want? If youre on a 23, try something bigger. Its already a 330 TPI. Try a set of Vittoria EVO CX's, or get some tubulars. If none of those work, Ive seen some pretty sweet deals beach cruisers at Performance or a Pugsley bike here or there
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    Oh the usual...some carbon fiber, some deep wheels, some electronic shifting, and not enough money.

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    lol, GP4000s are 110 TPI though. Continental marketing department is very happy with you right now.

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    tried the 23mm and 25mm and they're ok but not great.

    running a set of shwalbe durano s tires now and so far so good.

    not sure about wear yet.

    I run about 105/100psi. FWIW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dudemanppl View Post
    lol, GP4000s are 110 TPI though. Continental marketing department is very happy with you right now.
    IIRC where I read, they arent 110 TPI total. If it was total 110, they would be horse **** for tires. Its 110 per layer, Combined all 3 layers were 330 TPI.
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    If you want a supple ride, but don't want to spend a lot of cash, try Michelin PRO4 SC tires. They wear about the same as GP4000s tires(okay for a race tire) but are cheaper and more supple.

    With wider hoops, the ride is every bit as nice as the best tubulars around.

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    I thought people bought them because they are light on the scale without breaking the bank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 06SpiceRed View Post
    IIRC where I read, they arent 110 TPI total. If it was total 110, they would be horse s h i t for tires. Its 110 per layer, Combined all 3 layers were 330 TPI.
    So you're saying they're 110 TPI...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoSoxYacht View Post
    If you want a supple ride, but don't want to spend a lot of cash, try Michelin PRO4 SC tires. They wear about the same as GP4000s tires(okay for a race tire) but are cheaper and more supple.

    With wider hoops, the ride is every bit as nice as the best tubulars around.

    soon as i run thru these shwalbe's ill try those.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dudemanppl View Post
    So you're saying they're 110 TPI...
    if u count the other tire they're 660 tpi, lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dudemanppl View Post
    So you're saying they're 110 TPI...
    No thats not what said, I had mentioned they were 110 PER Layer, with 3 layers totalling 330. No one would advertise what a single layer has and leave it at that. Of course they would say what it totals.
    Oh the usual...some carbon fiber, some deep wheels, some electronic shifting, and not enough money.

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    It is widely thought that some of the competitors to Conti report the per layer thread count, not the total. That would put them abead of Conti if true.
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    +1 suppleness is to do with the tpi in one layer/axis , so 330 tpi is superior to 110tpi layered, that is pretty obvious.

    And they are "horse ****" for tyres but admittedly they are more durable than the other high end tyres.

    I would recommend the Veloflex Corsa 23 or 25 instead, there is a big difference in ride quality and RR (may be a placebo effect since the ride is so much better, LOL).
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    Quote Originally Posted by bt View Post
    they're good for wear but i like a more supple ride.
    ....hits a home run!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bt View Post
    they're good for wear but i like a more supple ride.
    Telemachus has, indeed, sneezed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 06SpiceRed View Post
    No thats not what said, I had mentioned they were 110 PER Layer, with 3 layers totalling 330. No one would advertise what a single layer has and leave it at that. Of course they would say what it totals.
    A higher TPI makes for a more supple tire because less rubber is needed to make the carcass. I don't see how the bottom two layers would help in that regard but of course I'm no tire engineer. I had a set of those. IMO the $28 Forte Pro+ is more supple. Outstanding tires, actually. They just don't have the cool brand name on the outside.

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    Move up to handmade Italian open tubulars: Veloflex Corsa 23
    Telemachus has, indeed, sneezed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bt View Post
    I run about 105/100psi. FWIW.
    Probably too high unless you weigh north of 200lbs. I run mine at 80-85psi on wide alloy rims (23F/25R; 165lbs.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunbar View Post
    Probably too high unless you weigh north of 200lbs. I run mine at 80-85psi on wide alloy rims (23F/25R; 165lbs.)
    I do

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoSoxYacht View Post
    If you want a supple ride, but don't want to spend a lot of cash, try Michelin PRO4 SC tires. They wear about the same as GP4000s tires(okay for a race tire) but are cheaper and more supple.

    With wider hoops, the ride is every bit as nice as the best tubulars around.
    winner.

    bought some Conti GP 4000s tires, I was never happy with the ride quality (comfort wise). 250 miles into the new set, fatal sidewall cut. Looked up these tires and it seems sidewall cuts are common.

    bought a set of Mich Pro 4 SC...immediatly noticed the better ride quality. 2000+ miles later, not even so much as a single flat.

    (100psi, 23mm tires on 23mm ROL Race SL wheels)

    Long story short...next set of tires will be Pro 4...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smokehouse View Post
    winner.

    bought some Conti GP 4000s tires, I was never happy with the ride quality (comfort wise). 250 miles into the new set, fatal sidewall cut. Looked up these tires and it seems sidewall cuts are common.

    bought a set of Mich Pro 4 SC...immediatly noticed the better ride quality. 2000+ miles later, not even so much as a single flat.

    (100psi, 23mm tires on 23mm ROL Race SL wheels)

    Long story short...next set of tires will be Pro 4...
    i love PRO4 SC tires, but they are not durable. They are cheap, and they ride like butter, but they are not durable. I have accepted the qualities they have, and accepted the FACT that they aren't durable.

    The ride is just too good to hate their weakness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by halfspeed View Post
    Move up to handmade Italian open tubulars: Veloflex Corsa 23
    Don't forget the Vittoria Latex tube,

    The Vittoria performance FAQ's, are interesting

    http://www.vittoria.com/tech/faq/

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    I'm using Conti GP4000s on both rigs and for the price, cannot complain about how well they perform and the wear I get from them. I did recently have one fail - hit a very decent rock in low-light, and fatally damaged the sidewall - but all in all, they are a fairly good value tyre that work well in wet/dry and are good enough to race on for a hack such as myself.

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