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    Wow, did I learn something... (LBS vs BD / Nashbar / etc...)

    I know you all are very tired of thread about supporting your LBS versus going online to BD or Nashbar or heck, even Amazon.com or something and ordering a road bike that way.

    I had some time to really do some research and real comparison (i.e. laid out on an Excel spreadsheet). I even got so anal that I studied the geometry of the bike frames and compared one to the other also!

    Here's what I discovered:
    A mid-level Motobecane (BD) is absolutely identical, all the way down to the choice of pedals, to the entry-level Fuji Sportif (LBS)! I can't believe it... Same bike... Same components... Same geometry... Different paint job/decals...

    BD: $400 bucks or so (you finish assembly and tune it up. No real guarantee on careful delivery/handling during shipping).

    LBS: $589 or so (already assembled, tested, tuned, and warrantied by LBS).

    Now regarding Nashbar, I can't figure them out. I have no idea who they are or what bikes they would be compared to, since they are totally generic and seem like a mish-mash of parts from all sorts of different manufacturers.

    Your thoughts?

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    I'll stay with my LBS when ordering a bike, for parts, well.....

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    Different strokes. I buy older used bikes and get 80% of my parts on Ebay. I work on my own bikes. Some just want to pay and ride and not fool around like I do. It's all good. There is room and need for LBS, BD, Nashbar, and Ebay...and Craig's list.

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    I'll go to my LBS to buy a bike. If I want a TrekGiantCannondaleSpecialized which I don't. Scratch that. I'll go there to buy a Trek since that's all they have.

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    which motobecane were you looking at?

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    Same geometry doesn't make it the same frame. There are differences in materials, ways they are welded etc. You can get a decent bike at any of these places. I've done it all. Now I buy used bikes and fix them up or used frames and build them up like modelmartin. I get the most value that way and certainly the most satisfaction
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    I believe the Mirage S and the Sportif 2.5C are 99.9% identical.

    Same Shimano A070 components
    Same 50-34T crank
    Same 12-28 cassette
    Same AL frame/CB fork, geometry
    Same ...everything.
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    I'm sure they are very similar - and functionally very, very similar. But I'm not sure Excel an be used to show they are 99.9% identical. As others are suggesting, welds, weights (of saddles, posts, stems), etc. can still differ. Are the wheels the exact same? No. Are non-branded parts the same as Oval? No, though they might be close.
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    I thought you said you looked at the geometry? They aren't the same at all

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    Quote Originally Posted by ButchA View Post
    I know you all are very tired of thread about supporting your LBS versus going online to BD or Nashbar or heck, even Amazon.com or something and ordering a road bike that way.

    I had some time to really do some research and real comparison (i.e. laid out on an Excel spreadsheet). I even got so anal that I studied the geometry of the bike frames and compared one to the other also!

    Here's what I discovered:
    A mid-level Motobecane (BD) is absolutely identical, all the way down to the choice of pedals, to the entry-level Fuji Sportif (LBS)! I can't believe it... Same bike... Same components... Same geometry... Different paint job/decals...

    BD: $400 bucks or so (you finish assembly and tune it up. No real guarantee on careful delivery/handling during shipping).

    LBS: $589 or so (already assembled, tested, tuned, and warrantied by LBS).

    Now regarding Nashbar, I can't figure them out. I have no idea who they are or what bikes they would be compared to, since they are totally generic and seem like a mish-mash of parts from all sorts of different manufacturers.

    Your thoughts?
    When it comes down to making the purchase, its your wallet, and your bike. Do what you feel necessary. Having been a long time Performance Bike employee out of Boulder, CO and having cycling traffic that can be slightly different from other shops/locations (very high end and lots of performance/racing clientele) it really comes down to what you get in the overall grand scheme. With Performance you get lifetime adjustments for free, a 100% return policy regardless of age or use (Yes, equivalent to Costco/REI), in our particular area, ALL of the our staff are comprised of current racers and/or long time veterans of the sport and are very knowledgeable. Once again, its what you get with your whole package. For me its worth spending a little more, be able to have that support behind you.

    btw....Nashbar is Performance Bike's sister site. A site that has discounted items that dont always sell in the stores.
    Oh the usual...some carbon fiber, some deep wheels, some electronic shifting, and not enough money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ButchA View Post
    I know you all are very tired of thread about supporting your LBS versus going online to BD or Nashbar or heck, even Amazon.com or something and ordering a road bike that way.

    I had some time to really do some research and real comparison (i.e. laid out on an Excel spreadsheet). I even got so anal that I studied the geometry of the bike frames and compared one to the other also!

    Here's what I discovered:
    A mid-level Motobecane (BD) is absolutely identical, all the way down to the choice of pedals, to the entry-level Fuji Sportif (LBS)! I can't believe it... Same bike... Same components... Same geometry... Different paint job/decals...

    BD: $400 bucks or so (you finish assembly and tune it up. No real guarantee on careful delivery/handling during shipping).

    LBS: $589 or so (already assembled, tested, tuned, and warrantied by LBS).

    Now regarding Nashbar, I can't figure them out. I have no idea who they are or what bikes they would be compared to, since they are totally generic and seem like a mish-mash of parts from all sorts of different manufacturers.

    Your thoughts?
    I see Motobecane Mirage S on BD for $399 and Fuji Sportif 2.5C in Sport Chalet for $589. Yes, they are nearly identical, except Motobecane has carbon fork and Fuji has alloy fork, and frames are slightly different (Motobecane has straight top tube, Fuji has slightly curving top tube).

    I don't think it's a very representative comparison though. Motobecane Mirage S is 7-speed. BD has a number of bikes with 8-speed groups cheaper than $400. There is some kind of premium in Mirage (maybe the wheels) and I'm not sure what it is.

    Also, LBS premium depends on price level. $400 is budget-conscious level and LBS can't charge you through the nose. If you look at CF bikes, you'll start seeing LBS charging 2x the price of BD. (Compare: Save Up to 60% Off Kestrel Shimano 105 equipped Road Bikes, Aero Bikes - 2014 Kestrel Talon Aero Road Bikes Propel Advanced 3 (2014) | Giant Bicycles | United States Specialized Bicycle Components)

    And Fuji brand carries less of a premium than, say, Specialized. And don't forget that BD has an additional hidden cost of shipping the bike to you via UPS (probably at least $50) which is wrapped into the sales price.

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    I can remember the BD Cross bike that I had was identical to a Fuji model. Much discussion back then about this subject. It was definitely the same bike.

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