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Old 03-28-05, 09:13 PM   #1
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1986 Cannondale Criterium

Ok, guys,
Sorry for all the questions about bike values lately but I am at my ends wit trying to find a decent road bike that I can afford. What do you guys know about a 1986 Cannondale Criterium. Most of the components are Shimano 105 but the derailers are shimano 600. There are only some scratchs on the frame. What do you guys think its worth. Thanks for all the help so far, I really appreciate it.
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Old 03-28-05, 09:45 PM   #2
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Ok, guys,
Sorry for all the questions about bike values lately but I am at my ends wit trying to find a decent road bike that I can afford. What do you guys know about a 1986 Cannondale Criterium. Most of the components are Shimano 105 but the derailers are shimano 600. There are only some scratchs on the frame. What do you guys think its worth. Thanks for all the help so far, I really appreciate it.
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$150 maybe on a good day. The rear triangle can't be spread to take a wider 130 8/9/10 speed hub, so you are stuck with limited upgradability. If it's 6 speed n the rear, that isn't a very hot setup,but usable.You could get to 7 speed without alot of pain. Uniglide freewheels or cassettes aren't so chi-chi either, and are both out of print.A 20 year old bike could be anything from a gem that spent it's life as a garage ornament to trash.
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If you provided a little more information maybe we can make a more informed assessment.

There's nothing wrong per say with the Criterium model. It's a very stiff frame so it wouldn't be a good choice for an older rider looking for comfort. As far as 7 vs. 8 speed goes, you can always stick a wider 8/9 speed wheel in there if the frame has 7 speed spacing. You can even upgrade the hub for use with 8 speed if you get a hankerin.

Regarding value, 105 with Ultegra/600 derailleurs should fetch something in the $325 range these days assuming it's in good shape.

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Old 03-28-05, 10:33 PM   #4
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If you provided a little more information maybe we can make a more informed assessment.

There's nothing wrong per say with the Criterium model. It's a very stiff frame so it wouldn't be a good choice for an older rider looking for comfort. As far as 7 vs. 8 speed goes, you can always stick a wider 8/9 speed wheel in there if the frame has 7 speed spacing. You can even upgrade the hub for use with 8 speed if you get a hankerin.

Regarding value, 105 with Ultegra/600 derailleurs should fetch something in the $325 range these days assuming it's in good shape.

Good luck.

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Old 7 speed spacing(like his, assuming it is even 7) was 126 and 8 speed is 130. So you don't just stick in a wider hub on an old aluminum Cdale .Alot of later 7 speed were made with a compromise 128 spacing that could be used with either 126 or 130. 20 year old derailers aren't worth alot even if they are 600. There are alot of suckers tho.
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The bike is a 7 speed, with 105 SLR brake levers, shimano 600(downtube shifters, front derailer, rear derailer,hub set). 105 crankset and botton bracket, brakes, headset. Campy omega rims and also a bike computer. I think that is all that is important. Thanks a lot.
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So you guys think the value is somewhere between $150 and $325?
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So you guys think the value is somewhere between $150 and $325?
The one I bought back in about 98 cost $150. They don't get more valuable with age. What it's worth and what someone might be willing to pay are differnet things.I buy cheap and sell high.
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Well, I am just getting tired of looking for a bike. My hate for ebay is growing. And I keep just missing out on good deals on craigslist. Oh well, thanks for the help guys. I will let you dudes know how it works out.
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Old 7 speed spacing(like his, assuming it is even 7) was 126 and 8 speed is 130. So you don't just stick in a wider hub on an old aluminum Cdale .Alot of later 7 speed were made with a compromise 128 spacing that could be used with either 126 or 130. 20 year old derailers aren't worth alot even if they are 600. There are alot of suckers tho.
You can just spread the frame a little and slip the wheel in. The rear dropouts will splay ever so slightly but not enough to cause any problems.

As far as value is concern, I stick by my assessment. 105 is quite serviceable so no worries.

Enjoy.

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Keep looking, you can do better.
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You can just spread the frame a little and slip the wheel in. The rear dropouts will splay ever so slightly but not enough to cause any problems.
Not until a drop or chainstay breaks.
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Not until a drop or chainstay breaks.


The stresses in a frame from riding, particularly sprinting, are orders of magnitude higher than spreading each stay 2mm. And yes, I'm an engineer , not that this makes me an expert per say. Just a little dose of reality.
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The stresses in a frame from riding, particularly sprinting, are orders of magnitude higher than spreading each stay 2mm. And yes, I'm an engineer , not that this makes me an expert per say. Just a little dose of reality.
My reality is that I don't spread aluminum stays.
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Closer to $150 than $325. I have a similar bike (87 dale), it is a real good quality bike but ride is stiff, shifters are downtube and 6 spds on the rear.

I paid $50.00 for mine and put in +- $100 which was great, the 105 components are excellent, it will become a good winter / rain bike once I get a new bike this year. I was lucky to get the right fit (had an older custom fitted bike to compare).

Even if you pay $300 for an excellent condition, you will still put in $100 in repair / update on the first year while you can get a new bike for $600 with Sora/Tiagra, carbon fork to your size. Look in the following thread for ideas.
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Whiteshark,

I purchased a Criterium at a garage sale for $15, it had all 105 and I believe it was a '87. I put $50 into it, rode it for 6 months and sold it on Ebay for $250 - isn't Ebay great.

Anyway, the Criterium is a good, lightweight bike. However, when I replaced it with a STI equipped bike ('04 Trek 1500), there is no remote comparison between the old and new bike. The ride, shifting, braking, comfort are all much better on a modern bike.

If you are planning on spending $2-300 on and '86, my suggestion a to scrape up a little more money and look into a used STI equipped bike.

Good luck.
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Too bad you are not in MA I was in a new small bike shop the other day and he had a 97 Cannondale R600 with Campy that he was willing to sell for $100 (which was a steal.) I wouldn't go over $150 for the bike you are looking at.
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Can you make it to san francisco area for your bike shopping? There's a few places around here good for picking up quality 80's bikes for less than $300; a couple of decent shops and regular craigslist sellers.

As far as a cannondale crit, I used to have one of those. Extremely rigid, light, fast, and twitchy. Really fun ride, actually, but I didn't really enjoy spending more than an hour at a time on it. Modern cannondales are pretty comfy, but those things really were not made for comfort.

Feel free to pm me if you want a few links to craigslist sellers and used bike shops in the bay area.
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Thanks guys for all the help and info. Being in the area that I am, I am pretty isolated from the rest of the world it seems like( 5 hours to a real city). So my options for a used bike is limited at best. And if I do find a good deal online, shipping usually kills it. I did pick up the bike for $170. I really wish that I could afford a $500 bike, but to tell you guys the truth, I really didn't want to spend over $300. I can always get a more expensive and better bike when I get out of college. As for the 7 speeds, I can definatly live with that but I guess time will tell when I enter the my first race(criterium) on May 22nd. I guess that just means that I will have to train harder than others. Again thanks for all the help and I will post pics as soon as I can.
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My first home built bike was a late 80s Cannondale 2.8 frame. I just didn't know any better and I squeezed in an 8-speed hub and rode the crap outta that thing for a couple of years. I am 225 lbs and never had a problem with it. Its still a nice ride and lighter than almost anything you see out there. My advice-If it aint broke-donít fix it. Donít worry about the components, what you paid for it and definitely do not give a second thought about what people think of it. Just go ride it and enjoy.
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Thanks guys for all the help and info. Being in the area that I am, I am pretty isolated from the rest of the world it seems like( 5 hours to a real city). So my options for a used bike is limited at best. And if I do find a good deal online, shipping usually kills it. I did pick up the bike for $170. I really wish that I could afford a $500 bike, but to tell you guys the truth, I really didn't want to spend over $300. I can always get a more expensive and better bike when I get out of college. As for the 7 speeds, I can definatly live with that but I guess time will tell when I enter the my first race(criterium) on May 22nd. I guess that just means that I will have to train harder than others. Again thanks for all the help and I will post pics as soon as I can.
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$170 is a great price Fortunately, my guess of $300+ was wrong.

7 speed won't hurt you a bit in crits since you will spend most of your time well down the stack in back. The lack of STI may hurt you though when you start to become competitive. Save your pennies
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