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Old 07-16-14, 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeyBoyAz
I thought 787 was the carbon fiber plane.
I consulted "the goog" and apparently in a later version the offending fiber was introduced to the wings
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Originally Posted by kc0bbq
I'm sure you can find a frame that weighs a reasonable amount that will never fail no matter what. Not sure what it will be made of, someone else will have to let us know.
Unobtainium.
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Originally Posted by Eds0123
These all looked like sub $100 wall-mart bikes, quiet different than a expensive professionally made bike made for a champion riding a grueling racing event at TdF. Just not a good PR image for the manufacturer or the technology. Again I don't know, I am a newbie here, this just does not give me a good warm fuzzy feeling that I can trust the frame and be rest assured that expensive CF frame won't fail me.
So you're under the impression that a bike should be unfazed after being run over by a two ton car? Or that two cars, with bikes secured on their respective racks, should be brought to a screeching halt when the two bikes become entangled and refuse to buckle? Sorry - you being a self-professed newbie has nothing to do with absolutely unrealistic expectations, nor do these failure modes have any reflection on real-world use.
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Originally Posted by WhyFi
So you're under the impression that a bike should be unfazed after being run over by a two ton car? Or that two cars, with bikes secured on their respective racks, should be brought to a screeching halt when the two bikes become entangled and refuse to buckle? Sorry - you being a self-professed newbie has nothing to do with absolutely unrealistic expectations, nor do these failure modes have any reflection on real-world use.
I find two cars with bikes on top getting tangled not very plausible but geeze anything is possible out there and from what i have seen all those support cars follow the riders none go the opposite direction that I have seen to get tangled with another one following the riders. Untrealistic expectations or whatever, eventually whatever happened it is just not a good PR image for the technology or the sponsor or the manufacturer for a some like $20,000? bike made for a champion to be used on grueling TdF to break like that?
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Originally Posted by egear;16937779[B
]I keep reading a discussion about how Specialized claims thew bike was run over by a car[/B] or something. Another rider said Contador suddenly went down right in front of him so I am thinking the frame failed and not the car that rode over it. This should be an interesting discussion.
Scary looking isnt it. I love steel!!!

specialized really say that? what a piece of work if true. ugghhhhhhh.
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Originally Posted by 531Aussie
Yeah, that'll buff right out. So, excuse my possible gullibility, but is this picture real? If so, how did it happen? Did it fall off the Tinkoff car onto the Belkin car?

And what does Contador say in this video?


He doesn't say a word about how the crash happened, he says he's going to Madrid to have his leg treated, and regrets having to quit at a moment when he was feeling good. But that's cycling, in a second you can lose months of training and effort. He hopes to be able to be at the Vuelta, but he's not sure.
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Originally Posted by Eds0123
I find two cars with bikes on top getting tangled not very plausible but geeze anything is possible out there and from what i have seen all those support cars follow the riders none go the opposite direction that I have seen to get tangled with another one following the riders. Untrealistic expectations or whatever, eventually whatever happened it is just not a good PR image for the technology or the sponsor or the manufacturer for a some like $20,000? bike made for a champion to be used on grueling TdF to break like that?
So you're saying that you DO expect bikes to come out unscathed in those conditions? Wow. Okay, I don't think that it's possible for me to explain things any more plainly, so I'll just leave you to your highly unrealistic expectations.
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Originally Posted by whyfi
Sorry - you being a self-professed newbie has nothing to do with absolutely unrealistic expectations, nor do these failure modes have any reflection on real-world use.
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• trade off: Material use is optimized to deliver both light weight and specific performance. You must understand that (1) these types of bikes are intended to give an aggressive racer or competitive cyclist a performance advantage over a relatively short product life, (2) a less aggressive rider will enjoy longer frame life, (3) you are choosing light weight (shorter frame life) over more frame weight and a longer frame life, (4) you are choosing light weight over more dent resistant or rugged frames that weigh more. All frames that are very light need frequent inspection. These frames are likely to be damaged or broken in a crash. They are not designed to take abuse or be a rugged workhorse. See also appendix b.

Originally Posted by bike snob ny
see that? The bike's only supposed to give "a performance advantage over a relatively short product life," and i'm sure we all can agree that three weeks is a really long time for a bike race. Furthermore, "a less aggressive rider will enjoy longer frame life," which would explain why levi leipheimer always had such good luck with specialized bicycles. Most importantly, this:
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these frames are likely to be damaged or broken in a crash. They are not designed to take abuse or be a rugged workhorse.

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wow. Likely to be damaged or broken? Not designed to be rugged workhorses? Sounds like an ideal bicycle for the world's toughest sporting event.
...recommendation from the Specialized legal team: "Don't crash."
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Originally Posted by Eds0123
I find two cars with bikes on top getting tangled not very plausible but geeze anything is possible out there and from what i have seen all those support cars follow the riders none go the opposite direction that I have seen to get tangled with another one following the riders. Untrealistic expectations or whatever, eventually whatever happened it is just not a good PR image for the technology or the sponsor or the manufacturer for a some like $20,000? bike made for a champion to be used on grueling TdF to break like that?
Did you not understand the tangle up of the cars occurred as one was passing the other in the same direction? The bike racks on these team cars can hold up to six or more bikes. The racks stick out off the side of the car a foot or so. It's not that mysterious.
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...is the earth really just a hollow ferrous shell, the interior of which is populated by a dark race of dwarves manufacturing carbon composite products ?

Tell the truth, other than in the faked videos on Youtube, how many of you have actually seen a carbon fiber frame being made in person? Anybody ? Bueller ?
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I'm amazed that so many folks are offended that a best-in-the-world road racing bike was designed and built with the racer's needs, not their own, in mind. If you want a bike to last 30 years, then buy a heavy duty one. But if you want to have the very best chance of winning a three week race, buy what you see being ridden in the race. Oh, and have a best-of-class mechanic check it out after every stage. Then at the end, just discard it. Works for me.
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Originally Posted by rpenmanparker
I'm amazed that so many folks are offended that a best-in-the-world road racing bike was designed and built with the racer's needs, not their own, in mind. If you want a bike to last 30 years, then buy a heavy duty one. But if you want to have the very best chance of winning a three week race, buy what you see being ridden in the race. Oh, and have a best-of-class mechanic check it out after every stage. Then at the end, just discard it. Works for me.
Doesn't sound like the bike had much of a chance of winning a three week race. It only made it through week one and was taken out by a pothole.

Or by belkin team car that drove over it...if you want to believe what "they" say.
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Originally Posted by RJM
if you want to believe what "they" say.
I don't know if you realize it, but this is one of the most important comments posted in this whole thread. Wanting and not wanting to believe what is being said is what this entire discussion is all about. Ask yourself, why do so many here NOT WANT to believe the final explanation. If you want to believe it, it is easy enough to do so. All about world view.
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Originally Posted by Homebrew01
Look at this scratch-and-dent Specialized I picked up on the cheap !

And the Bianchi doesn't look broken, therefore, Bianchis are stronger than Specialized

How come pictures of Bigfoot, the Loch Ness monster, and Contador's bike are always blurry? The spectator that took this shot doesn't have an iPhone? Who the hell took it? Zack Morris?

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Originally Posted by rpenmanparker
I don't know if you realize it, but this is one of the most important comments posted in this whole thread. Wanting and not wanting to believe what is being said is what this entire discussion is all about. Ask yourself, why do so many here NOT WANT to believe the final explanation. If you want to believe it, it is easy enough to do so. All about world view.
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Originally Posted by Eds0123
I find two cars with bikes on top getting tangled not very plausible but geeze anything is possible out there and from what i have seen all those support cars follow the riders none go the opposite direction that I have seen to get tangled with another one following the riders. Untrealistic expectations or whatever, eventually whatever happened it is just not a good PR image for the technology or the sponsor or the manufacturer for a some like $20,000? bike made for a champion to be used on grueling TdF to break like that?
One car was passing another in a tight space and the bikes got tangled RIPPING THEM FROM THE BIKE RACKS. Yeah. That's enough to trash any frame.
As a newb you need to spend a little more time listening.
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Originally Posted by rpenmanparker
I don't know if you realize it, but this is one of the most important comments posted in this whole thread. Wanting and not wanting to believe what is being said is what this entire discussion is all about. Ask yourself, why do so many here NOT WANT to believe the final explanation. If you want to believe it, it is easy enough to do so. All about world view.
I thought the conversation was about how power bars will send you to the hospital...

and you shouldn't put your carbon bike on a roof rack.
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...and you shouldn't put your carbon bike on a roof rack.
...who wants to bet this gets added to the Specialized brochures as a disclaimer soon ?
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Originally Posted by rpenmanparker
But if you want to have the very best chance of winning a three week race, buy what you see being ridden in the race. Oh, and have a best-of-class mechanic check it out after every stage. Then at the end, just discard it. Works for me.
...Specialized gives the things to you for free too ?

I guess the market for racers selling their bikes at the end of the season takes a big hit here.
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Originally Posted by Eds0123

I have seen other rider's broken forks at weld joints on trails. I have seen broken frames on my travels on other trails. These all looked like sub $100 wall-mart bikes, quiet different than a expensive professionally made bike made for a champion riding a grueling racing event at TdF. Just not a good PR image for the manufacturer or the technology. Again I don't know, I am a newbie here, this just does not give me a good warm fuzzy feeling that I can trust the frame and be rest assured that expensive CF frame won't fail me.
I agree
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Originally Posted by scplus5
How come pictures of Bigfoot, the Loch Ness monster, and Contador's bike are always blurry? The spectator that took this shot doesn't have an iPhone? Who the hell took it? Zack Morris?
It appears to be taken through the rear window of another car (you can see the rear defroster lines in the shot), hence the general crappiness from glare and being taken with any phone camera means there will be zero detail left in any bright highlights, iPhone's included. Why they decided to apply some goofy color filter to it is beyond explanation.
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How come pictures of Bigfoot, the Loch Ness monster, and Contador's bike are always blurry? The spectator that took this shot doesn't have an iPhone? Who the hell took it? Zack Morris?
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