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    Quote Originally Posted by WhyFi View Post
    It is rather strange that he felt the need to preface "my wife" with "I'm a straight man," innit?
    It's sort of like saying, "I'm not a racist, but..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoSoxYacht View Post
    If you are a straight man, why are you watching soccer in the first place?
    Because football is the greatest game in the world?
    The pleasure is momentary, the position ridiculous, and the expense damnable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPK79 View Post
    It's sort of like saying, "I'm not a racist, but..."
    Followed by "you people..."?
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    I would wager that not riding in Minnesota is just as fatiguing as not riding in New York.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rousseau View Post
    Because football is the greatest game in the world?
    Yeah, but training camp doesn't even start up for a few more weeks.
    Quote Originally Posted by RollCNY View Post
    I would wager that not riding in Minnesota is just as fatiguing as not riding in New York.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhyFi View Post
    Yeah, but training camp doesn't even start up for a few more weeks.
    Premier League starts in mid-August. With the World Cup just over they'll probably start training pretty soon.
    The pleasure is momentary, the position ridiculous, and the expense damnable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rousseau View Post
    Premier League starts in mid-August. With the World Cup just over they'll probably start training pretty soon.
    Premier League? Is that one of those new-fangled AFC divisions, or something?
    Quote Originally Posted by RollCNY View Post
    I would wager that not riding in Minnesota is just as fatiguing as not riding in New York.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhyFi View Post
    Premier League? Is that one of those new-fangled AFC divisions, or something?
    It's the NFC West with the NFL's two best teams (and heated rivals).
    "The older you do get, the more rules they're gonna try to get you to follow. You just gotta keep livin', man, L-I-V-I-N." - Wooderson

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    my college phys ed teacher mentioned a physiological "phenomenon?" that provides strengthening to the non dominate arm while playing racquetball. I don't remember what it was. but basically I remember it as: because the other arm was moving it was strengthening. so I would imagine that during all the agile running that takes place those arms are moving about quite a bit and are used to balance the body and even their weight is used to move the body. not like a boxer uses his arms but still, none the less, they are using their arms. sorry about the ignorant ramble but maybe there's a kinesiologist in the crowd that knows what I'm thinking about?
    cycling is like baseball ~ it doesn't take much to make it interesting

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhyFi View Post
    Premier League? Is that one of those new-fangled AFC divisions, or something?
    Okay, I'll bite: what on earth is a "new-fangled AFC division"? Is that code for something?

    Edit: Looked it up. The Asian Football Confederation would be in Asia. The Premier League would be in England. England is not in Asia. Geography fail.
    The pleasure is momentary, the position ridiculous, and the expense damnable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rousseau View Post
    Okay, I'll bite: what on earth is a "new-fangled AFC division"? Is that code for something?

    Edit: Looked it up. The Asian Football Confederation would be in Asia. The Premier League would be in England. England is not in Asia. Geography fail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rousseau View Post
    The Premier League would be in England.
    Whoa! When did this happen?! Roger Goodell said that he wanted a football team in London, but I didn't think things would move this fast.
    Quote Originally Posted by RollCNY View Post
    I would wager that not riding in Minnesota is just as fatiguing as not riding in New York.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dtrain View Post
    I think there's a lot more pushing and upper body use in soccer than the OP realizes.
    I think that's a given.

    Meanwhile someone on a rugby forum I frequent was wondering during the WC why footballers don't bulk up a few kgs and shove the other team's pipsqueaks off the ball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rousseau View Post
    because futbol is the greatest game in the world?
    fify.

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    I played soccer for a local club for 4 yrs and there is a lot more shoving/pushing/grabbing than you can imagine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPK79 View Post
    That Ridley is Hot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lsberrios1 View Post
    lol.. those cyclist fighting look like teenagers

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    Interesting question...





    While these pics are undoubtedly picked to emphasize marathoners being weak vs sprinters being strong, they do make the point that sprinters all seem to have decent upper body muscles.

    Usain Bolt, "widely regarded as the fastest sprinter ever" -


    It appears that in a sport where you are on foot and sprinting, somehow upper body strength makes you faster at sprinting, so the additional weight of upper body muscles is made up for by them helping you sprint faster. Whereas in biking this is not the case - upper body muscles add mass and slow you down (a little) but have no benefit.
    Last edited by PaulRivers; 07-15-14 at 03:59 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TexMac View Post
    I played soccer for a local club for 4 yrs and there is a lot more shoving/pushing/grabbing than you can imagine.

    And that's just in the locker room.

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    My wife (uh huh) and I went over to Whiteface Mountain to watch the finish of a 100K Mountain Bike race a few weeks back. They ride up and over 2 mountains on dirt. Its a qualifier for the Leadville Colorado race later on. Those dudes were big. I'm 6' , 185 lbs. Not small, but I don't feel large. I felt small near the finishers of this race. They all seemed 6'2- 6'5 and had gigantic thighs, chests, calves, small hips, etc. I'd guess they were 180-220 lbs. Those guys/gals rule and carry much more size then road riders. They surely weren't crying when they took a spill. That is one tough sport. My wife said they were hot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanterne Rogue View Post
    Wouldn't the extra weight of a developed upper body hurt the explosive speed of a soccer player just as much as a cyclist? Is it just the culture of the sport, or is there a better reason why so many cyclists look like the guys who get sand kicked on them at the beach?
    There is a HUGE difference in athleticism between running, where you must carry your own body weight, and cycling, where you do not. Upper body strength is an asset to explosive speed in runners . . . have you looked at the physiques of track & field sprinters? My guess is upper body strength is more a drawback than an asset to cyclists - extra weight to have to carry up hills.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Champlaincycler View Post
    My wife said they were hot.
    Did you make her sleep on the couch?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulRivers View Post
    Usain Bolt, "widely regarded as the fastest sprinter ever"
    Who are you quoting?

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    there is a need for upper body strength in soccer because when you tackle for the ball, you are basically jockeying for space. if your upper body is stronger than the other player, you have a better chance at being able to push them out of that space.

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