I feel cycling is the biggest rip off money wise and who makes it?
07-29-14, 09:21 PM
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I own a sailboat...and it would have a golden ****ter, but have to pay to have the rigging redone first, and then bottom paint and then the engine overhaul. Hell, cycling is cheap!
07-29-14, 09:29 PM
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Blowboats are cheap. My Chriscraft had twin 460 cid engines that could easily burn 18 gallons per hour.
07-29-14, 09:29 PM
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Ok, going to provide my .02 cents with this.
Don't believe what most companies claim when they say it will improve one's performance. The only thing that will improve one's performance is one's self.
That being said you can get good stuff for a good price if you do your research. Go out and find last years or two stuff clothing and gear wise on closeout via lbs or online. For bike, figure out a budget for a bike, do more research check what makes the shops in your area carry then look at what those makes offer in that price range and test the ones that catch your attention, maybe if you get lucky one of the shops will have a model that is a step above what you're looking at from last year that's on closeout for about the same price as the one your looking at.
FWIW, I'm on a steel frame and fixed gear, but that is just my preference, I like simplicity.
Don't believe what most companies claim when they say it will improve one's performance. The only thing that will improve one's performance is one's self.
That being said you can get good stuff for a good price if you do your research. Go out and find last years or two stuff clothing and gear wise on closeout via lbs or online. For bike, figure out a budget for a bike, do more research check what makes the shops in your area carry then look at what those makes offer in that price range and test the ones that catch your attention, maybe if you get lucky one of the shops will have a model that is a step above what you're looking at from last year that's on closeout for about the same price as the one your looking at.
FWIW, I'm on a steel frame and fixed gear, but that is just my preference, I like simplicity.
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07-29-14, 09:33 PM
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I am missing a few materials from my stable. For the road I am missing Ti. For MTB I am missing CF and Ti. I must rectify this ASAP.
Is the OP my wife???
Is the OP my wife???
07-29-14, 09:41 PM
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Oh, I know the bike will be, but I'm sure I'll draw the disdain of a lot of more skilled riders than me who believe you have to earn such bikes.
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07-29-14, 09:52 PM
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However, absolutely make sure you bring a really good lock or two with you, I hear too many stories every year about bikes getting stolen from there.
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07-29-14, 10:26 PM
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I posted it and I made it maybe 5 minutes before I started skipping around for the "good stuff." The guy makes so many major logic jumps, it's entertaining in its own subtle way. But yeah, I'm surprised you made it halfway. I think we should arrange a spot in the record books for that.
07-29-14, 10:38 PM
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I mentioned it earlier, but I currently work in a bike shop, and I get people maybe once every few days who make a large point of exclaiming how much bikes cost and how they just "never imagined" something as "simple" as a bicycle could be so expensive. One of my coworker recently broke down each segment of bikes into various cars and suddenly, the pricing seemed to make a lot more sense to some customers.
I had a friend in school who asked me if I would ever spend money on a "custom" bike. He seemed to imagine that I could somehow get a custom bicycle made for about 6 or 700 dollars. When I told him he needed to add another zero and that might pay for the frame and wheels only (assuming a full custom build), he was flabbergasted. He happened to like watches and worked the Jewelry counter at Macy's. So I asked him if a 20 dollar Casio was a really nice watch, or if it just told time. Suddenly, it occurred to him that things might scale the same way in other hobbies. Novel concepts all around.
So yeah, things cost money.
Honestly, I'm always amazed at how cheap walmart can sell a bike for. I look at a 97 dollar bike and I know it's one visit to a bike shop away from being "totalled" in the traditional sense. Even a set of tires and tubes from the shelf right next to it approaches 50% of the price. I would absolutely love to see a full cost breakdown on one of those bikes for the shear morbidity of seeing how much one of those frames cost from raw material to assembly ready.
And I don't ever want this thread to die. It's far too entertaining.
I had a friend in school who asked me if I would ever spend money on a "custom" bike. He seemed to imagine that I could somehow get a custom bicycle made for about 6 or 700 dollars. When I told him he needed to add another zero and that might pay for the frame and wheels only (assuming a full custom build), he was flabbergasted. He happened to like watches and worked the Jewelry counter at Macy's. So I asked him if a 20 dollar Casio was a really nice watch, or if it just told time. Suddenly, it occurred to him that things might scale the same way in other hobbies. Novel concepts all around.
So yeah, things cost money.
Honestly, I'm always amazed at how cheap walmart can sell a bike for. I look at a 97 dollar bike and I know it's one visit to a bike shop away from being "totalled" in the traditional sense. Even a set of tires and tubes from the shelf right next to it approaches 50% of the price. I would absolutely love to see a full cost breakdown on one of those bikes for the shear morbidity of seeing how much one of those frames cost from raw material to assembly ready.
And I don't ever want this thread to die. It's far too entertaining.
07-29-14, 11:44 PM
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Ofcourse not, but anything that make people enjoy their gear and hence get out and ride more often, is the right choice for them. Who are you trying to convince? It's a free market, we can all go buy whatever we feel like, and thats a sweet thing! Many people enjoy top of the line stuff, and that's ok.
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07-30-14, 07:01 AM
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For certain. One place I used to get fuel had a shutoff on the pump when it hit $1,000. That happened regularly for me. I know sailors that used to try and keep their annual fuel cost less than $50.
07-30-14, 10:06 AM
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Private helicopter AND a Lear. C'mon...
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07-30-14, 10:19 AM
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Let's take wheels. A company lie Zipp, Hed, or Enve spends a huge amount of R&D designing, developing and testing new wheels. I think I read something that they typically use 20 prototypes in wind tunnels before deciding on a final version for production. This is after who knows how much engineering time a team of engineers spent playing around with modeling. So once in production, someone copies their design, probably illegally, and outsources production to the cheapest place they can find. The problem is it might looks the same but have little aero benefits. You don't now. Then it comes with no support, no warranty, and not even a person to help you via email or phone.
But you got a bargain!
But you got a bargain!
Been to the factory many times.
07-30-14, 10:52 AM
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Maybe not everybody, but I have heard a rumor that Phil White of the former Cervelo now Pon has 3 porsche GT3s?!
Cervelo features in Porsche commercial - Slowtwitch.com
Read through the comments: Porsche owner for years, eh?! I've never owned a Porsche.
Cervelo features in Porsche commercial - Slowtwitch.com
Read through the comments: Porsche owner for years, eh?! I've never owned a Porsche.
07-30-14, 11:19 AM
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07-30-14, 11:47 AM
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Ok to get to the point here. I feel a lot of what we buy especially clothing wise we are paying top dollar for nothing. I feel a lot of what we buy comes from either the same factory maybe or region of the world but with huge markup.
I am guessing to make a jersey say cost
is maybe 10 to 30 bucks depending. But yet we pay 40 which is reasonable to 150 for something hardly any nicer.
I feel the biggest example of this is carbon wheels. China carbon. 300 -700 bucks. Name brand. 1000- 3000 and again I bet not much better
I'm just using this as a example brand wise but I would not be shocked at all if the same factory that makes a nashbar jersey makes a castelli jersey say. Or the same factory that makes a mavic wheel makes a performance brand wheel with the same quality. But yet we are paying huge money for spandex and so one that is all pretty much the same.
Someone that actually knows something fill me in here. Again if I am guessing I would assume the mark up on bikes is not too big but parts wise, appeal and so on we talking bigger mark up? I just feel this sport is a big rip.
I am guessing to make a jersey say cost
is maybe 10 to 30 bucks depending. But yet we pay 40 which is reasonable to 150 for something hardly any nicer.
I feel the biggest example of this is carbon wheels. China carbon. 300 -700 bucks. Name brand. 1000- 3000 and again I bet not much better
I'm just using this as a example brand wise but I would not be shocked at all if the same factory that makes a nashbar jersey makes a castelli jersey say. Or the same factory that makes a mavic wheel makes a performance brand wheel with the same quality. But yet we are paying huge money for spandex and so one that is all pretty much the same.
Someone that actually knows something fill me in here. Again if I am guessing I would assume the mark up on bikes is not too big but parts wise, appeal and so on we talking bigger mark up? I just feel this sport is a big rip.
07-30-14, 12:15 PM
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I think having kids are the biggest rip off ever. Those things are frigging expensive. Talk about maintenance costs and overhead. There's also no resale value.
07-30-14, 12:47 PM
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There is a lot to be said for getting what you want.
I remember the last time I was in the market, I told people I didn't want a good bike -- I wanted THE bike.
I doubt very many people actually believe they can buy speed. The way life works out, you typically can't afford much when you have the legs, and you won't have the legs when you can afford the really nice stuff. So people without dough can feel good about dusting people on fancy rides, and the people with high end zoot can enjoy that. Everyone is happy.
I remember the last time I was in the market, I told people I didn't want a good bike -- I wanted THE bike.
I doubt very many people actually believe they can buy speed. The way life works out, you typically can't afford much when you have the legs, and you won't have the legs when you can afford the really nice stuff. So people without dough can feel good about dusting people on fancy rides, and the people with high end zoot can enjoy that. Everyone is happy.
07-30-14, 01:12 PM
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Cycling has always been a rip off. It's what the T'Rex song is about.
