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yes, actually I did, hence my measured response. Would you consider me pulling out my off duty piece and blowing a hole in the wheel sucker to be an over the top response? I mean, we ARE talking about MY safety now aren't we?
Listen, we have to be reasonable human beings here. If you have any situational awareness at all, you know there is someone back there. Its an extra breath, an extra shift, its just extra noise. So you start to ride like a leader...which you should always be doing anyway.
Is it really that difficult for some of you guys to be nice to others?
Listen, we have to be reasonable human beings here. If you have any situational awareness at all, you know there is someone back there. Its an extra breath, an extra shift, its just extra noise. So you start to ride like a leader...which you should always be doing anyway.
Is it really that difficult for some of you guys to be nice to others?
As for being nice to people I think it starts with the rider behind demonstrating common courtesy and saying hello before putting both riders at risk. Some, so informed, may not be willing to take that risk and should be given the opportunity to say so.
Oh, and hehehehe, you said 'duty'.
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If you were truly an experienced rider you would know that riding into a headwind at any kind of speed makes it very, very difficult to hear anyone behind you. An extra shift might give it away, or maybe not. My bike has a dead quiet shift.
As for being nice to people I think it starts with the rider behind demonstrating common courtesy and saying hello before putting both riders at risk. Some, so informed, may not be willing to take that risk and should be given the opportunity to say so.
Oh, and hehehehe, you said 'duty'.
As for being nice to people I think it starts with the rider behind demonstrating common courtesy and saying hello before putting both riders at risk. Some, so informed, may not be willing to take that risk and should be given the opportunity to say so.
Oh, and hehehehe, you said 'duty'.
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If you were truly an experienced rider you would know that riding into a headwind at any kind of speed makes it very, very difficult to hear anyone behind you. An extra shift might give it away, or maybe not. My bike has a dead quiet shift.
As for being nice to people I think it starts with the rider behind demonstrating common courtesy and saying hello before putting both riders at risk. Some, so informed, may not be willing to take that risk and should be given the opportunity to say so.
Oh, and hehehehe, you said 'duty'.
As for being nice to people I think it starts with the rider behind demonstrating common courtesy and saying hello before putting both riders at risk. Some, so informed, may not be willing to take that risk and should be given the opportunity to say so.
Oh, and hehehehe, you said 'duty'.
well then, might I suggest that you just move aside and stick an elbow into them and run them into a ditch? That ought to teach them some manners eh! And, it might even gain you a new customer Bob...ya think?
Or, you could have ridden next to them for a minute, introduced yourself, and had a POLITE chat where they might have learned something...and you might ACTUALLY have made a new customer Bob.
Your choice boys.
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well then, might I suggest that you just move aside and stick an elbow into them and run them into a ditch? That ought to teach them some manners eh! And, it might even gain you a new customer Bob...ya think?
Or, you could have ridden next to them for a minute, introduced yourself, and had a POLITE chat where they might have learned something...and you might ACTUALLY have made a new customer Bob.
Your choice boys.
Or, you could have ridden next to them for a minute, introduced yourself, and had a POLITE chat where they might have learned something...and you might ACTUALLY have made a new customer Bob.
Your choice boys.
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If you're cycling 6 inches behind me, I'd better know you really well. As I said before ... creepy. And of course, dangerous.
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You can ask the mods to check the IP addresses. I don't have any sock puppets. @Machka, not to worry, as you remarked, why draft someone moving slowly.
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@Machka, not to worry, as you remarked, why draft someone moving slowly.
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Kind of reminds me of a line from an old "Kinks" tune; "Paranoia Will Destroy Ya".
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You can ask the mods to check the IP addresses. I don't have any sock puppets. @Machka, not to worry, as you remarked, why draft someone moving slowly.
This could have easily been avoided if the rider behind would have announced himself and the OP probably would have been fine with him staying there. This changes the dynamics of the ride. If the OP didn't want him there he could have sat up/slowed down, but since he was in stealth mode, he didn't realize he was there. It happens. For those that don't understand the problem with the common courtesy of announcing for the sake of safety, I'd guess they've never tasted the pavement and dealt with the resulting injuries.
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That word tells me I'm dealing with someone not mature enough to understand how to truly NGAF.
If you want to ride a leach off your wheel....do it.
If you want to slow down and let the leach go by....do it.
If you want to pull the leach...do it.
But don't let the leach ruin your ride because they grabbed onto your wheel....NGAF is that simple!
That's all it is. People are getting their lycra in a bunch because someone did something that bothered them. Stop worrying about what other people do and worry about yourself. If you don't like the situation, then get out of it. Quit letting others dictate how you are feeling, whether it be on the bike or other aspects of life.
Sorry I struck a sensitive spot on you....
If you want to ride a leach off your wheel....do it.
If you want to slow down and let the leach go by....do it.
If you want to pull the leach...do it.
But don't let the leach ruin your ride because they grabbed onto your wheel....NGAF is that simple!
That's all it is. People are getting their lycra in a bunch because someone did something that bothered them. Stop worrying about what other people do and worry about yourself. If you don't like the situation, then get out of it. Quit letting others dictate how you are feeling, whether it be on the bike or other aspects of life.
Sorry I struck a sensitive spot on you....
And no, you're an arrogant, clueless twit who thinks you have the right to impose upon a rider by drafting unannounced.
And THEN you're even MORE arrogant, telling ME that I should "NGAF" about it.
Get over yourself.
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You DON'T? You ride exactly the same when you know you're alone as you do with a rider right on your wheel?
I guess that means you point out obstacles, don't brake or shift suddenly, and announce when you're standing when you KNOW you're all alone?
Oh wait, you don't do that when you're alone?
Well, what the hell makes you think you have the right to impose that upon someone else? Because you're ego won't let you get dropped?
I guess that means you point out obstacles, don't brake or shift suddenly, and announce when you're standing when you KNOW you're all alone?
Oh wait, you don't do that when you're alone?
Well, what the hell makes you think you have the right to impose that upon someone else? Because you're ego won't let you get dropped?
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Are there REALLY many cyclists out there who are clueless or arrogant enough to think they actually have the right to impose the responsibilities of being the lead rider in a pace line upon someone they don't even know?
Wow. It's hard to believe humanity actually put themselves on the moon.
Wow. It's hard to believe humanity actually put themselves on the moon.
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I am not sure how anybody could be ok with someone riding up on them and sitting there unannounced. No matter how long you have been riding or how experienced you are there, so many things can go wrong so fast. Here are two somewhat similar scenarios that could easily happen to all of us.
1. Let's say you are riding on the MUP and someone comes up behind you unannounced. There is a stick/turtle/sinkhole/whatever in your path and you slow down/swerve to avoid it. At the same moment there is a rider approaching you from the other direction. Since you did not signal anything the rider behind you swerves to go around you and smashes into the oncoming rider. Or they smash into you because they saw the oncoming rider. Or they smash into you and cause you to swerve into the oncoming rider.
2. Let's say you are riding on the road and someone comes up behind you unannounced. There is a bumper/roadkill/pothole in your path and you swerve to avoid it. Now this person also swerves to avoid hitting you and at the same time a car is coming up from behind. Oh no! They were not giving you 3 feet. The stealth rider just got run over by a car. Or the car swerves to avoid him, over corrects and hits both of you. Or maybe you tap the brakes and swerve and they run into your back and push you into oncoming traffic.
All of these things are very real possibilities. If you don't think so or still think it's ok for you/someone else to stealth draft we will be looking for your "I got hit by a car" or "Someone drafted me unannounced and I wrecked" threads.
1. Let's say you are riding on the MUP and someone comes up behind you unannounced. There is a stick/turtle/sinkhole/whatever in your path and you slow down/swerve to avoid it. At the same moment there is a rider approaching you from the other direction. Since you did not signal anything the rider behind you swerves to go around you and smashes into the oncoming rider. Or they smash into you because they saw the oncoming rider. Or they smash into you and cause you to swerve into the oncoming rider.
2. Let's say you are riding on the road and someone comes up behind you unannounced. There is a bumper/roadkill/pothole in your path and you swerve to avoid it. Now this person also swerves to avoid hitting you and at the same time a car is coming up from behind. Oh no! They were not giving you 3 feet. The stealth rider just got run over by a car. Or the car swerves to avoid him, over corrects and hits both of you. Or maybe you tap the brakes and swerve and they run into your back and push you into oncoming traffic.
All of these things are very real possibilities. If you don't think so or still think it's ok for you/someone else to stealth draft we will be looking for your "I got hit by a car" or "Someone drafted me unannounced and I wrecked" threads.
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I have been riding in a serious manner for over 30 years and have never had an accident caused by someone riding my wheel. I don't know of anyone, personally, who has had a problem either. It is not something I can control, so I try not to worry about it.
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et·i·quette
ˈetikit,-ˌket/
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noun: etiquette; plural noun: etiquettes
ˈetikit,-ˌket/
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noun: etiquette; plural noun: etiquettes
- the customary code of polite behavior in society or among members of a particular profession or group.
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That's hardly a reason to surreptitiously impose a huge safety-related responsibility on a stranger. Not only that, your statement is also logically the equivalent of saying "Well, I've never been hit by a car, so it's safe for a toddler to play in traffic." You've never had your arm cut off by a chain saw, either. Are chain saws therefore safe to juggle?