Originally Posted by faisal82

Perhaps fraud is a strong term. They do mention everything on their brochure.

Originally Posted by loimpact

And as an owner of a '14 EVO 3 - Ultegra, I can say that Cannondale is always in a bit of a predicament because they'll never truly have 100% "groupset" bikes.

For example, even though mine has Ultegra everything else.....including brakes!!!......due to Dale's BB30, they'll never include Ultegra cranksets. So even though mine's as close as it can get.....I'd still be lying if I advertised it as "full Ultegra" because, really, it's not. (FWIW, mine came w/ FSA-K Light which I have to say has been impressive & '15 models even come w/ Dale's SI Hollowgram which I assume to be even better)

Originally Posted by faisal82

I've been riding a CAAD8 for a year now. I live in Karachi, Pakistan. The roads here not exactly the best with plenty of potholes here and there. Anyhoo, I am a hardcore Cannondale lover. And after reading raving reviews about Synapse carbon I have decided to purchase the Ultegra version of 2015. But after carefully combing through the specs I have become extremely upset. Seems like Cannondale is trying to defraud the customers. Some sneaky changes have been made into the Synapse carbon Ultegra version vis a vis the 2014 version. They are as follows.

The 2014 version had C2 stem/handlebar while the 2015 version will have a C3 stem/handlebar
The 2014 version had a UD carbon seatpost while the 2015 version will have a C3 seatpost
The 2014 version had a Fizik saddle while the 2015 version will have a Prologo saddle
The 2014 version had the Ultegra 11 casette and chain while the 2015 version will have a 105 11 casette and chain

I love Dales but this seems like I am being defrauded. After all it is the same price for the model then why this sneak attack. This just seems like I am getting a little less bike for the same amount of money.

Originally Posted by jaxgtr

you can put in a shim and run Shimano cranks if you want, but then you have a weight penalty of an extra part in the BB along with the heavier Shimano crank.

Originally Posted by K100Fran

Since the 11 speed 105 and cassette wasn't available last year, have you compared any other brands 2014 full Ultegra models to what is offered on their 2015 versions? I think it's a safe bet that more than just the Synapse is being specc'd with 105 chains and cassettes.

Originally Posted by Munk69

Oh, I totally get the crank part on C'dales. I am thinking more along the lines of brakes and cassettes. Although, Trek runs BB90 on the Domane 5.2 and they use an ultegra crank on their bike. Makes me wonder why C'dales BB30 is different in that regard? I know nothing of BB30, other than they need to run C'dale cranks or FSA cranks.

Originally Posted by daihard

A little off-topic, but my own question is, what prevents Shimano from manufacturing BB-30 cranks? As far as I know, BB30 is a free standard, so anyone should be able to use it... unless I'm missing something.

Originally Posted by jaxgtr

Nothing prevents them from doing it, but being Shimano; does what Shimano wants to do. Having said that, I do like the Shimano outboard BB's and the cranks, but the Shimano Ultegra crank is 168 grams heavier than my FSA SL-K Light BB30 crank.

Originally Posted by BigJeff

But..... The 2015 is BB30A not BB30.... 5mm wider on the non-drive side (I may be wrong)

Originally Posted by daihard

Mine's a 2014 model and still comes with a "BB30A" crank. Not sure about the difference between BB30 and BB30A, either.

[EDIT] Looks like the 2014 model comes with a BB30 bottom bracket whereas the 2015 model comes with a BB30A bracket. Is that what you're referring to @BigJeff?