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    Upgrade Question

    Just curious if I would notice or benefit much from the following:

    Currently have a 2008 Masi Alare. Has Sora FD and shifters with Tiagra RD. Would I notice much or benefit from getting a bike around the same year with 105 stuff? Should I just keep saving and get a new bike? I have heard frames have really changed in the past 5 years or so and 5800 is just now coming out.

    I keep looking on craigslist but not sure I would benefit much going from an 08 to another 08.

    Thanks for any insight.

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    My last bike was an 09 with a 105 (5600) RD and Tiagra for everything else. I upgraded to a bike with full 105 (5700) and it shifts way smoother. My main reason for upgrading was a fit issue though.

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    How much do you love the frame? I have followed all your other threads and contributed what I could to help get the first bike. It seems to me you are really locked in on groupsets at this point. Do you like your current frame?

    Frames have changed but there are plenty people riding 08 and older bikes and still love them. I will not get rid of my 2005 CAAD7. I LOVE the frame. I will change groups, wheels, and other things but I love the frame enough to hang on to it.

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    Much of it depends on how you ride. The higher end groups almost universally shift under load better. If you never shift under load, you may never notice the difference.

    As an example, I have one bike with 2012 Campagnolo Centaur (10 speed) and another with 2014 Sora (9 speed). Cruising along, or even banging through gears fast on a descent, there is no discernible difference. But climbing a hill, with load on the drive train, you can feel a difference, with the Sora feeling a bit "chunkier".

    And as another observation, it is often hard to get a true feel for how a groupset functions by a quick LBS test ride. I played with 2014 Sora and Tiagra at my LBS, and both felt very chunky, and sticky in lever action, compared to 105 and up. I bought a full Sora group despite this, installed it myself, took care in cutting cables, made sure I had reasonable cable bends, and the group has really impressed me as smooth and functional. So I think it may be hard to get a real feel for a groupsets performance without some ride time, and knowledge of the setup.

    As to whether it is worth it to upgrade your setup, the true answer is "it depends".

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    Quote Originally Posted by seymour1910 View Post
    How much do you love the frame? I have followed all your other threads and contributed what I could to help get the first bike. It seems to me you are really locked in on groupsets at this point. Do you like your current frame?

    Frames have changed but there are plenty people riding 08 and older bikes and still love them. I will not get rid of my 2005 CAAD7. I LOVE the frame. I will change groups, wheels, and other things but I love the frame enough to hang on to it.
    +1 I'm riding an '03 frame with new components.

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    A newer model with newer group set even of the same level will have more gears on the cassette and a 2014 sora is probably equivalent in quality to 2008 105. If you were to change just the group set you might have to change rear wheels also assuming the frame is wide enough to accept it.

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    Well, I really do not have anything to compare my frame to and it hasn't given me any trouble yet. I haven't even been on any of the newer bikes. One thing that does bug me is the push button shifter on the Sora and I think it could use a tune up as I am all of the sudden getting some clicking type noise. Sound like its around the BB.

    I guess I could look into upgrading shifters to 105 or Ultegra 6700 but then I will need to find out if I need a new real wheel. How do I go about finding out about that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jumpin jack View Post
    I guess I could look into upgrading shifters to 105 or Ultegra 6700 but then I will need to find out if I need a new real wheel. How do I go about finding out about that?
    Your rear wheel will be fine for any 8, 9 or 10 speed Sram or Shimano - just (likely) not 11 speed. If the thumb shifters are a bother, I'd maybe look for 'take-off' 4500 Tiagra shifters to match the RD (if available cheap). I have a 4550 crankset/BB available...but if you start going too far down that road, you should probably consider a full 4600 group or a new bike. I'd probably purchase new before putting 6700 on there.
    Last edited by dtrain; 08-13-14 at 06:08 PM.
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    The new Sora 3500 group is 9 speed, ditches the thumb lever, and uses the SLR brake travel, so is compatible with higher level brakes if desired. My full group was $230 from Ribble, but it may be more now. As I said earlier, it works beautifully.

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    Yeah, the push button thing would be the biggest reason to upgrade for me. However, getting rid of it would cost money. Brifters are expensive and they don't depreciate all that much. Say, $170 for a pair of 105 5700 new takeoffs, plus $50 for a 10-speed cassette (well, you'll need to change the cassette eventually anyway, so you could wait till your current one wears out), plus some incidentals like shifter cables if they don't come with the shifters.

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    I would personally save your money. The 5700 series has significant advances in shifting quality vs the 5600. Now that 105 has a new version, the 11 speed 5800 series, its easy to see how fast everything evolves. Unless your shifting now is really bothering you where it becomes frustrating to ride, almost to the point where you start to lose interest in riding because of it, then I'd say upgrade. I mean, who DOESN'T like to upgrade though! Now I just recently upgraded my girlfriends bike to 105 5700 from Sora 8 speed system. The only reason we did this is her frame really fits her well and she just wanted the shifting to be much better all while ditching the triple crankset in favor of a double.

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    Thanks for the help. I am continuing to look.
    Last edited by jumpin jack; 08-17-14 at 09:21 PM.

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    Still occassionally looking at craigslist. This Trek looks very clean. I think I found that it was a 2006. Older than my 08 Masi but the components are better. Price seems steep. What do you guys think if he were to come down on the price some?

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    The best he said he could do was $695??? What would your guys top dollar be on something in that good of condition and components?

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    Pass. I think that's a little high for an alloy, 9 speed, triple, octalink, with paired spoke wheels. Maybe $500 if mint and it fit you like a glove...maybe.
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