Iggz79

Just bad luck. Woman didnt wanna die by being reckless, neither did this roadie wanna kill her on purpose. **** happens. What if roadie died trying to avoid hitting that lady. Noone would scream lady should be jailed for killin roadie .

mavpsa

Incorrect. Pedestrians do not have the "right of way" on a any street in the City of New York. There is a reason why we have crossing signals at the corner of every intersection, including Central Park. If a pedestrian is already in the "cross-walk", car traffic must yeild to the pedestrian, but that's a far cry from saying that "pedestrians have the right of way". Jay walking, a law that isn't enforced much, is still against the law in this City.

Central Park is a problem. they should install crossing guards at all the major intersections. But i doubt it will do any good. Problem w/Central Park and other parts of the City: too many people who aren't use to city life relocate here or visit here, thinking they are still back home. In the suburbs, there is false sense of safety that people get accustomed too: less cars, less people, life is slower, pedestrians have the right of way etc. It's not like that here. its a jungle, filled w/car, trucks, bike, motorcycles, and stupid people.

I ride CP all the time. It's great place to ride ur bike in a crunch. Some people ride fast and some people ride slow. I'd say that almost 99% of the time, the only people with a clue of what is going on around them are cyclists. Runners/pedestrians jaywalk along the park and the city w/imputinty. they are actually the biggest problem in my opinion.

superslomo

I lived in Brooklyn within a few blocks of the park in various directions and apartments for better than 15 years until we moved a little less than 4 years ago, and I guess I just have a different opinion of it than you do. Between the families walking five abreast in whatever lane they chose, the Park Slope Peloton coming through in pacelines at high speed, people walking dogs on flexi-leashes, crowds of concertgoers ambling across the road and so on, it was manageable, but I could easily see how plenty of people could have plenty of accidents without anyone meaning anything ill. I look back and realize that accepting it as good was a reflection of how much everything else sucked on a bicycle in the city. Suffice it to say that I'm incredibly glad to have a different sort of environment in which to ride, and even in the final few years when we were in Kensington to the south of PP, I'd head south on Ocean Parkway to ride the belt parkway path instead of doing PP if I had the time.

halfspeed

In fact, there's no information at this point to indicate that the pedestrians he was trying to avoid were even in the crosswalk.

ls01

Where?!

halfspeed

If "discussing the behavior" consists solely of speculation and accusations based on very little data from a transparently biased article then it is, at best, pointless axe grinding. All we know about the "behavior" is that it consisted of riding a bike in central park and hitting a pedestrian after avoiding others.

RollCNY

#harrumph

dalava

What do you all make of the media's reporting of this incident with their incendiary description and innuendos, e.g.

- $4000 racing bike
- according to "alleged" witness, the cyclist "didn't look like he tried to stop"
- so far, the cyclist has not been charged in the "deadly collision"
- online training log (Strava) showed the cyclist has logged speed well over 25 MPH previously (hours before)
- people say cyclists in CP go over the 25 MPH limit all the time
- a beloved Connecticut mother struck by out-of-control cyclist

And I also found the more tabloid they are, the more sensationalistic they get.

3alarmer 

...I think you might be missing an important aspect of Strava. #KOM

3alarmer 

...again, I mention our own West coast version of a similar incident. The news coverage was quite the condemnation of bicyclists in general. Easily googled.

3alarmer 

..BTW, I linked early on to another, slightly less sensational news article from the Gothamist.

https://www.bikeforums.net/road-cycli...l#post17144806

Brian Ratliff

Second hand at best. All the Gothamist does is report on articles by the NYpost, the Daily News, and "the media". There is no first hand information in the Gothamist article.

halfspeed

There's no evidence that Marshall was working on a Strava KOM at the time.

LesterOfPuppets

If traffic planners wished to give cyclists and carriage drivers that impression, one would think they'd make the walk/don't walks go black and make all traffic signals flashing red during those hours.

Elvo

LesterOfPuppets

He's not near any KOMs on any segments I saw. He's almost as slow as I am!

Vintage_Cyclist

This incident is unlikely to result in criminal charges and will probably end up as a lawsuit against Marshall and NYC that will take years to litigate. Any potential criminal charges will probably hinge on whether or not he acted "recklessly" as defined by NY State Penal Law, section 15.05:

I doubt his actions/inactions rise to the level of a gross deviation. However, legal precedents would apply here. Applying cases involving motor vehicles might be difficult to do and cases involving bicycles are probably sparse. Of course a prosecutor could make a unique argument applied to this incident to try and establish proof of a gross deviation.

If it CAN be determined that he acted recklessly, then he could possibly face a charge of 2nd degree Manslaughter:

Laws of NY: Laws of New York - Penal Law

3alarmer 

...at the risk of pointing out the obvious, this is not a court proceeding. It does appear that his ride was uplinked to Strava, but I'm
certain it's been either deleted or access denied at this point. That's what happened here in San Francisco.

Again, why is it so important to you that the behavior of Strava racing in crowded urban environments not be a topic for discussion ?

Do I need to start another thread ? Would that make you more comfortable with an uncomfortable topic ?

3alarmer 

...thus the problem. The slow guys try harder. #exceptme

cafzali

Not necessarily condemning the guy, but NYC is home to the "work hard/play hard" types that have to prove something every time they go out and do anything, be it at work or on their free time. You also see cyclists yelling at pedestrians constantly because they're interrupting the flow of their ride, etc. I personally have never enjoyed doing the CP loops for this very reason. It's just too unorganized and full of too many competing interests and I've got to say cyclists are just as bad as pedestrians at not staying to their designated lanes.

3alarmer 

...indeed, it was to a charge of manslaughter that our own Strava racer here on the West coast pled guilty to avoid jail time.

halfspeed

You're incorrectly assuming a lot. I think Strava racing is ridiculous at best and I've written about it here before. I happen to agree with you about the hazards of Strava racing in inappropriate places and times.

What I'm saying here is that the rush to paint Marshall as a murderer (as has been done in this thread) simply because he's a roadie with a Strava account is exploiting a tragedy for the purposes of axe grinding. And that's tacky at best and wildly inappropriate at worst.

El Cid

If he goes to prison, he'll be playing the skin flute.

halfspeed

Excellent! I assume you've correlated the particular segment to the accident location and time?

LesterOfPuppets

CPE to CPS encompasses the crash location and his top speed of all time on that segment is 19.9 mph, IIRC.

BUT, I think he's only warming up during that segment. He seems to hit much higher speeds when he's doing one of the loop segments.

Someone should make a 72nd to 60th segment or something like that.