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Old 12-18-14, 06:22 AM
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Originally Posted by RollCNY

5. I still think datlas's problem is in the pawls. And even if it isn't, pawls is a great word to say. It really does not see enough action in day to day parlance.
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Maybe datlas should name his freehub, "Ron" or "Rand".
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Since you asked, and since I don't know which specific opinion is requested:
1. You should do the 60 min test because it will be the most accurate, and if you follow up four or five days later with a 20 minute test, you can exactly correlate the ratio between 20 minute testing and 60, and then never do another 60 min.

2. Addiction may be descending, but if it is, I see it happening at a rate 43% slower than the road forum is descending. So comparatively, they will get to hell well before us. I am still working the math on when they will pass the train that left Tokyo 6 hours ago at 180 kph.

3. I miss the Addicts that were here when I stumbled in, but that is much like specifying your favorite SNL cast. With out experiencing them all, it is hard to know which error was the best error.

5. I still think datlas's problem is in the pawls. And even if it isn't, pawls is a great word to say. It really does not see enough action in day to day parlance.

4. I think Whooshie's posts make his butt look big. And it is disturbing how badly he wants to see Hummie in a tri suit.

6. My tablet misarranged points 4. & 5. In my opinion, I could care less. I could care more. Entropy for the win. I'd like to solve the puzzle, Alec.
Lol on part B of item 4. I've been wondering about that for some time now.

I don't know that getting to hell in second place is much of an achievement.

Yesterday I learned the meanest animal at the zoo is a wallaby. As in miniature kangaroo. He's incorrigibly violent it turns out. Which is not the norm for a wallaby.
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Originally Posted by LAJ
Post of the month.

The hour to 20 minute correlation is excellent, but I think this coach will see the trend from the 40, and the following workouts, and pretty much nail it. In my opinion, I think the hour was made to see how much torture one can endure.
Haha, maybe the 60 min suggestion was made with the expectation that I'd reject it out of hand. Or that it would not be possible, for lack of a 60 min hill. Fortunately I am slow enough that I have all kinds of 60 min hills. Well, two at least.

I better stop yammering though, I have that little trainer ride to get on with.
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...is the bolt thingy that holds the freehub body to the hub fully tightened ? Are the derailleur pulleys spinning freely ? Is the chain stretched to the point it needs replacement ? If a tree falls in the forest, and there is no one to hear it, does it make a sound ? Is the sound it doesn't make "ratchety" ?
Yes bolt is tight. I also spun the rear wheel in my hand via the freewheel (i.e. drive direction) to ensure that it's smooth under load, which it is. So I really don't think it's the pawls. Chain is nearly new and I measured 6 links at 6.02 inches so that confirms it's not stretched. I tried to spin the pulleys but it's freakin difficult with the chain on, and I really don't want to pop the chain off since it's a Shimano without a quicklink. I will try again later but may need to learn to accept the noise. It's not super loud, but loud enough that one of my riding buddies yesterday told me to adjust my trim as he thought the noise was my FD rubbing. Kinda sounds like that, but definitely coming from the back.

p.s. since the wheel spins nicely off the bike while pushing on the cassette, I am pretty sure my pawls are ok. Is "pawls" the word of the day?
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Originally Posted by WHOOOSSHHH...
I just see a whole mess of new white noise chatterboxes and yearn for some normalcy.
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Originally Posted by Heathpack
I don't know that getting to hell in second place is much of an achievement.
At least we won't be lonely.
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Sorry
Without the period, it doesn't seem sincere.
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Originally Posted by datlas
Yes bolt is tight. I also spun the rear wheel in my hand via the freewheel (i.e. drive direction) to ensure that it's smooth under load, which it is. So I really don't think it's the pawls. Chain is nearly new and I measured 6 links at 6.02 inches so that confirms it's not stretched. I tried to spin the pulleys but it's freakin difficult with the chain on, and I really don't want to pop the chain off since it's a Shimano without a quicklink. I will try again later but may need to learn to accept the noise. It's not super loud, but loud enough that one of my riding buddies yesterday told me to adjust my trim as he thought the noise was my FD rubbing. Kinda sounds like that, but definitely coming from the back.

p.s. since the wheel spins nicely off the bike while pushing on the cassette, I am pretty sure my pawls are ok. Is "pawls" the word of the day?
And the chain isn't mis-threaded through the RD?
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Originally Posted by rpenmanparker
And the chain isn't mis-threaded through the RD?
I like how you think, but nope it's not.

The crazy thing is that this loud noise just started with yesterday's ride (as far as I can tell). Bike had been quiet the previous several rides. And I did nothing unusual to the bike, mechanically, lately. The ride had wet roads but not really sloppy.

It's a mystery. Stay tuned. I know you are on the edge of your seat...
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Could you give more descriptive noises than "sounds rachety"? Is a rhythmic clickety clickety through the entire revolution, or a click pause click pause click? Are there any kachunks, or pings, or tings? The presence of tings can make a world of difference?

Also, any creaks, groans, sighs, or other sounds of distress?
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Originally Posted by datlas
I tried to spin the pulleys but it's freakin difficult with the chain on, and I really don't want to pop the chain off since it's a Shimano without a quicklink.
Can't you get enough slack by "throwing" the chain off of the crankset?
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Originally Posted by datlas
I like how you think, but nope it's not.

The crazy thing is that this loud noise just started with yesterday's ride (as far as I can tell). Bike had been quiet the previous several rides. And I did nothing unusual to the bike, mechanically, lately. The ride had wet roads but not really sloppy.

It's a mystery. Stay tuned. I know you are on the edge of your seat...
I know you have a stethoscope! If you put the bike on a training stand or even a work stand, you can pinpoint the noise location with the stethoscope. Assuming you don't have to be riding it and pedaling normally for the noise to occur, that is. If that were the case, then a friend can do the pedaling on the training stand, while you search for the noise with the stethoscope. Or vice-versa. Really works well.
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Originally Posted by RollCNY
Could you give more descriptive noises than "sounds rachety"? Is a rhythmic clickety clickety through the entire revolution, or a click pause click pause click? Are there any kachunks, or pings, or tings? The presence of tings can make a world of difference?

Also, any creaks, groans, sighs, or other sounds of distress?
No signs of distress. It is clearly a clicky sound that corresponds to each link on the chain. So higher cadence makes it faster. More chain tension makes it louder. It really does sound pretty much like a FD that is rubbing a smidge and is calling for trim.
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I have to go to work now, but I will try messing with the bike tonight (and will try the stethescope trick) to see if I can elucidate the cause of this mystery.
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Originally Posted by RollCNY
Also, any creaks, groans, sighs, or other sounds of distress?
Yesterday there were some groans and sighs, but that was me when the pace picked up!
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Is "pawls" the word of the day?
I hope to see my pawl next week.
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I like how you think, but nope it's not.

The crazy thing is that this loud noise just started with yesterday's ride (as far as I can tell). Bike had been quiet the previous several rides. And I did nothing unusual to the bike, mechanically, lately. The ride had wet roads but not really sloppy.

It's a mystery. Stay tuned. I know you are on the edge of your seat...
FSA crank? I hear they're crappy.
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Nice trainer ride, y'all. Just totally swell to be back on the bike after 3 days of rain.

I felt all ****zy power wise trying to figure what gear/cadence to be in for my work intervals. But then when I looked at the data afterwards it actually turned out pretty perfect. Plus the bonus of the tiny rock concert in my head. And it was nice & cold out on the patio this am. So I have zero complaints about the start of my day.

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Originally Posted by rpenmanparker
And the chain isn't mis-threaded through the RD?
Was it unusually cold the first time you noticed it?
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Nice trainer ride, y'all. Just totally swell to be back on the bike after 3 days of rain.

I felt all ****zy power wise trying to figure what gear/cadence to be in for my work intervals. But then when I looked at the data afterwards it actually turned out pretty perfect. Plus the bonus of the tiny rock concert in my head. And it was nice & cold out on the patio this am. So I have zero complaints about the start of my day.

Very nice. I have trouble staring at the Garmin, so I like to use Trainer Road.
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if you chase a creak or a click around the bike, you will go nuts. OCD will give way to despair and then to hair pulling and soon you will have the bike in pieces and you won't go to sleep and you will still not find the cause.

don't ask me how i know this chain of events. i don't want to re-live it.
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@datlas: Maybe your RD pulley bushings are worn enough that one is catching the chain plates when it rotates? Bigger cog means you put side pressure on the pulleys to get it there, maybe that is starting the wobble.

Sounds like you have it narrowed down to a drive line issue, but I have had good luck with this in the past:

Bicycle Bike Noises, Clicks, Ticks, Creaks, Clunks, Knocks Repair by Jim Langley

I don't know if it covers your problem though.

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Originally Posted by rjones28
FSA crank? I hear they're crappy.
Ya see how that works? That is how unfounded rumors get spread. If you don't have first hand experience with it, why propagate the information which for all you know could be erroneous?
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Originally Posted by RollCNY
Could you give more descriptive noises than "sounds rachety"? Is a rhythmic clickety clickety through the entire revolution, or a click pause click pause click? Are there any kachunks, or pings, or tings?
or is it a slow, steady click...click...click?

I've got it! Your bike is possessed by a 1967 Raleigh Sports. Happens all the time. Not many Raleigh Sports ghosts cuz they're so damn hard to kill, but the ones that do die are angry as all get out!
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I think we need youtube video of bike in stand pedalling or, even better, trainer pedaling.
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