My frame is in pieces...
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Well, its pretty clear, I am going to be voted class president. I harken this to popular music and even popular movies. Bubble gum guys don't get the deep stuff...lol.
So...what's are you guys going to chip and get me for Christmas? No, I don't want a box of pedigree frame tubes or even of custom frame of indeterminant size or construction.
I would like a nice see of Zipps...no Chinese knock offs....or a Campy SR groupset. No I don't want an imitation Campy groupset. No knock offs made in somebodies' basement. Just wanted to drop a hint.
So...what's are you guys going to chip and get me for Christmas? No, I don't want a box of pedigree frame tubes or even of custom frame of indeterminant size or construction.
I would like a nice see of Zipps...no Chinese knock offs....or a Campy SR groupset. No I don't want an imitation Campy groupset. No knock offs made in somebodies' basement. Just wanted to drop a hint.
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Yep! With stock 300mm steerer tubes and a +10 stem I'm still running approx. 130mm of bar drop. The move to one of the very few forks that feature a 350mm steerer necessitates a long headtube if I'm to respect the maximum of 40mm of spacers between the bearing race and the lower face of the stem.
But, Campag4life doesn't need a custom frame, so, I suppose I don't either. After all he seems to think he knows what he's talking about and that the rest of us don't. Hmmm
But, Campag4life doesn't need a custom frame, so, I suppose I don't either. After all he seems to think he knows what he's talking about and that the rest of us don't. Hmmm
I think you need a trip to the doctor (me). Why don't you start a new thread and we can dissect your fit. BoSox may learn something.
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Well, its pretty clear, I am going to be voted class president. I harken this to popular music and even popular movies. Bubble gum guys don't get the deep stuff...lol.
So...what's are you guys going to chip and get me for Christmas? No, I don't want a box of pedigree frame tubes or even of custom frame of indeterminant size or construction.
I would like a nice see of Zipps...no Chinese knock offs....or a Campy SR groupset. No I don't want an imitation Campy groupset. No knock offs made in somebodies' basement. Just wanted to drop a hint.
So...what's are you guys going to chip and get me for Christmas? No, I don't want a box of pedigree frame tubes or even of custom frame of indeterminant size or construction.
I would like a nice see of Zipps...no Chinese knock offs....or a Campy SR groupset. No I don't want an imitation Campy groupset. No knock offs made in somebodies' basement. Just wanted to drop a hint.
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+1.
The only reason I'm not giving my measurements here is because no matter what they are, I'm sure he'll come up with some reason that I don't need a custom build. To some degree, he is correct. I could continue using a stock frame that is too small, and use a huge stack of spacers or an uptight stem. I think that looks awful, and I have a friend that is a frame builder that offered to build a frame for me.
Other than Campag4life, who wouldn't accept the offer of a free custom frameset? The builder is even giving me the components to keep my current bike built up for comparison.
The only reason I'm not giving my measurements here is because no matter what they are, I'm sure he'll come up with some reason that I don't need a custom build. To some degree, he is correct. I could continue using a stock frame that is too small, and use a huge stack of spacers or an uptight stem. I think that looks awful, and I have a friend that is a frame builder that offered to build a frame for me.
Other than Campag4life, who wouldn't accept the offer of a free custom frameset? The builder is even giving me the components to keep my current bike built up for comparison.
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Habanero makes a Ti frame that would fit me well, but I'm getting this one for free.
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The vacuum bagging is necessary for structural layers. But, a "cosmetic" overlay does not need to be vac bagged. It can be wetted out with a clear epoxy, allowing all the adjuestment and fiber aligning in the world, and after curing simply clear coated with a UV protectant.
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+1.
The only reason I'm not giving my measurements here is because no matter what they are, I'm sure he'll come up with some reason that I don't need a custom build. To some degree, he is correct. I could continue using a stock frame that is too small, and use a huge stack of spacers or an uptight stem. I think that looks awful, and I have a friend that is a frame builder that offered to build a frame for me.
Other than Campag4life, who wouldn't accept the offer of a free custom frameset? The builder is even giving me the components to keep my current bike built up for comparison.
The only reason I'm not giving my measurements here is because no matter what they are, I'm sure he'll come up with some reason that I don't need a custom build. To some degree, he is correct. I could continue using a stock frame that is too small, and use a huge stack of spacers or an uptight stem. I think that looks awful, and I have a friend that is a frame builder that offered to build a frame for me.
Other than Campag4life, who wouldn't accept the offer of a free custom frameset? The builder is even giving me the components to keep my current bike built up for comparison.
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What could you possibly prescribe that would be of any value to me?
Oh, and, what about that lead on a stock frame I was hoping you could provide?
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Well, its pretty clear, I am going to be voted class president. I harken this to popular music and even popular movies. Bubble gum guys don't get the deep stuff...lol.
So...what's are you guys going to chip and get me for Christmas? No, I don't want a box of pedigree frame tubes or even of custom frame of indeterminant size or construction.
I would like a nice see of Zipps...no Chinese knock offs....or a Campy SR groupset. No I don't want an imitation Campy groupset. No knock offs made in somebodies' basement. Just wanted to drop a hint.
So...what's are you guys going to chip and get me for Christmas? No, I don't want a box of pedigree frame tubes or even of custom frame of indeterminant size or construction.
I would like a nice see of Zipps...no Chinese knock offs....or a Campy SR groupset. No I don't want an imitation Campy groupset. No knock offs made in somebodies' basement. Just wanted to drop a hint.
How would you feel about some Enve rims instead of those Zipps?
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Enve's will work. We can do production for just about all you have posted except for BB drop of 50mm. Let's see. I know probably 200 riders. I don't know a single rider with a BB drop of 50mm. For that matter, I don't know a single rider with fly handlebars on their road bike...or diamond encrusted wheels. I guess you are just 'unique' fred. Don't want to hijack. Said I was out...so that's it.
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And then fred you can lend 'your expertise' and dissection which should have considerable sway. After all, you need a BB drop of 50mm for all your road bike off road adventures...lol. Well, maybe your bike is even amphibious! OK...I'm out...really.
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So, you can trust them to make reliable rims, but, not frame components?
Is that all. That's a pretty small pool to draw from.
You need to get out more. And, ride with a few open minded tall guys.
Not pertinent to this thread or discussion.
[QUOTE=Campag4life;17398032] I guess you are just 'unique' fred.QUOTE]
No more or less than anyone else.
Don't play the victim or claim to be an excuse. You're the one who came out and challenge the idea of a custom frame. You seem to be struggling to accept that someone like BSY can "desire" a custom frame, regardless of whether they "need" one or not. None of us, you included, "need" a carbon frame of any sort to begin with.
And there you go, demonstrating your dismissive, arrogant and ignorant personality. Without a single question about why, you jump to erroneous assumptions with regard to my geometry requirements and motivations, that are patently incorrect . But, see fit to cop a superiour attitude that is most likely unwarranted.
I for one am glad, "you're out" of this thread. You obviously are incapable of constructive discussion of options and possible solutions that lie outside your limited experience.
Is that all. That's a pretty small pool to draw from.
You need to get out more. And, ride with a few open minded tall guys.
[QUOTE=Campag4life;17398032] I guess you are just 'unique' fred.QUOTE]
No more or less than anyone else.
I for one am glad, "you're out" of this thread. You obviously are incapable of constructive discussion of options and possible solutions that lie outside your limited experience.
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In fairness, no one said anything negative about the reliability of the ENVE frame components. There was some question (perhaps misguided) about the integrity of the assembly technique which has nothing at all to do with ENVE. There were also observations that the round tube frame components do not take full advantage of the diverse CF capabilities. But there was no criticism of the quality standards and safety reliability of the ENVE tubes.
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In fairness, no one said anything negative about the reliability of the ENVE frame components. There was some question (perhaps misguided) about the integrity of the assembly technique which has nothing at all to do with ENVE. There were also observations that the round tube frame components do not take full advantage of the diverse CF capabilities. But there was no criticism of the quality standards and safety reliability of the ENVE tubes.
I would agree that concern about the tube joining method is misplaced beyond concern for the individual builders experience and expertice. Overwrapped joints have been around a long time and are well proven. I find it amazing that riders would be willing to quickly accept tubes glued into lugs. Probably because of steels history and their familiarity with lugged construction. But, would raise an eyebrow at the superior technique of actually laminating the joint. Even though a fair few mass produced frames have relied on that exact joint type over the years.
One thing I'm really curious about is the assertion that round tubes can't provide asymetrice characteristics. To the best of knowledge Enve is still hand wrapping prepreg over male mandrels to client specifications with regard to bias, in a uniform manner. But, in conversation with some of the local composite guys who build custom dinghy masts amongst other stuff and utilize filament winding and/or knitting machinery over their mandrels, it doesn't sound as though it would be difficult to achieve the exact characteristics everyone is presuming to be the domain of non-round shapes.
The entire assertion that the best composite engineers in the world are working on designing bicycles is laughable. There are schools pumping out composite engineers and there are far greater challenges and rewards for the really gifted amongst them than the cycling industry provides.
Everyone who lacks any knowledge of composite design, engineering or fabrication experience is treating this like some great, black, voodoo, science, that only a few hold the secrets to. The truth is anything but that.
Anyhow. I'm really interested to see how BSY's build progesses.
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Fair enough.
I would agree that concern about the tube joining method is misplaced beyond concern for the individual builders experience and expertice. Overwrapped joints have been around a long time and are well proven. I find it amazing that riders would be willing to quickly accept tubes glued into lugs. Probably because of steels history and their familiarity with lugged construction. But, would raise an eyebrow at the superior technique of actually laminating the joint. Even though a fair few mass produced frames have relied on that exact joint type over the years.
One thing I'm really curious about is the assertion that round tubes can't provide asymetrice characteristics. To the best of knowledge Enve is still hand wrapping prepreg over male mandrels to client specifications with regard to bias, in a uniform manner. But, in conversation with some of the local composite guys who build custom dinghy masts amongst other stuff and utilize filament winding and/or knitting machinery over their mandrels, it doesn't sound as though it would be difficult to achieve the exact characteristics everyone is presuming to be the domain of non-round shapes.
The entire assertion that the best composite engineers in the world are working on designing bicycles is laughable. There are schools pumping out composite engineers and there are far greater challenges and rewards for the really gifted amongst them than the cycling industry provides.
Everyone who lacks any knowledge of composite design, engineering or fabrication experience is treating this like some great, black, voodoo, science, that only a few hold the secrets to. The truth is anything but that.
Anyhow. I'm really interested to see how BSY's build progesses.
I would agree that concern about the tube joining method is misplaced beyond concern for the individual builders experience and expertice. Overwrapped joints have been around a long time and are well proven. I find it amazing that riders would be willing to quickly accept tubes glued into lugs. Probably because of steels history and their familiarity with lugged construction. But, would raise an eyebrow at the superior technique of actually laminating the joint. Even though a fair few mass produced frames have relied on that exact joint type over the years.
One thing I'm really curious about is the assertion that round tubes can't provide asymetrice characteristics. To the best of knowledge Enve is still hand wrapping prepreg over male mandrels to client specifications with regard to bias, in a uniform manner. But, in conversation with some of the local composite guys who build custom dinghy masts amongst other stuff and utilize filament winding and/or knitting machinery over their mandrels, it doesn't sound as though it would be difficult to achieve the exact characteristics everyone is presuming to be the domain of non-round shapes.
The entire assertion that the best composite engineers in the world are working on designing bicycles is laughable. There are schools pumping out composite engineers and there are far greater challenges and rewards for the really gifted amongst them than the cycling industry provides.
Everyone who lacks any knowledge of composite design, engineering or fabrication experience is treating this like some great, black, voodoo, science, that only a few hold the secrets to. The truth is anything but that.
Anyhow. I'm really interested to see how BSY's build progesses.
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i'm surprised they still make them from separate tubes. i would think they would be taking a page out of the rim manufacturing process and use a bladder or possibly bladders for the whole frame. deflating, then pulling them out of the frame at various inconspicuous locations and applying a cosmetic patch or patches. hopefully more professional looking than those on my carbon tubular rims.
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...The entire assertion that the best composite engineers in the world are working on designing bicycles is laughable. There are schools pumping out composite engineers and there are far greater challenges and rewards for the really gifted amongst them than the cycling industry provides....
They recently found how to create these in one piece from composite. It cuts weight by half, cuts labor by 2/3 and...there is more money in it than bicycle frames.
All that reduced labor means what used to be done off shore can be done in the USA.
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The vacuum bagging is necessary for structural layers. But, a "cosmetic" overlay does not need to be vac bagged. It can be wetted out with a clear epoxy, allowing all the adjuestment and fiber aligning in the world, and after curing simply clear coated with a UV protectant.