How much is the calorie burned number off by on Garmin Edge devices
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Isnt the average calorie burn about 30 calories per mile at 12-14 mph, that's how i calculate it.
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enter half your actual weight in the garmin device and you will get more believable estimates
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GPS signals are maintained by "...a network of 24 satellites placed into orbit by the U.S. Department of Defense."
"GPS was originally intended for military applications, but in the 1980s, the government made the system available for civilian use."
Each time a U.S. consumer purchases a GPS device, they are "double-taxed" because they already funded the R&D, the continued maintenance of the satellites, and the unearned "rent" of the private company that is selling them a GPS product (in this case Garmin).
While I enjoy using my Garmin Edge 500 and all the technological innovations, I know full well that, in part, Garmin's success and ability to derive potentially monopolistic power and profits stems from its ability to have let taxpayers absorb the high R&D costs of the development of GPS.
"GPS was originally intended for military applications, but in the 1980s, the government made the system available for civilian use."
Each time a U.S. consumer purchases a GPS device, they are "double-taxed" because they already funded the R&D, the continued maintenance of the satellites, and the unearned "rent" of the private company that is selling them a GPS product (in this case Garmin).
While I enjoy using my Garmin Edge 500 and all the technological innovations, I know full well that, in part, Garmin's success and ability to derive potentially monopolistic power and profits stems from its ability to have let taxpayers absorb the high R&D costs of the development of GPS.
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Garmin's...monopolistic power? that's a good one.
GPS signals are maintained by "...a network of 24 satellites placed into orbit by the U.S. Department of Defense."
"GPS was originally intended for military applications, but in the 1980s, the government made the system available for civilian use."
Each time a U.S. consumer purchases a GPS device, they are "double-taxed" because they already funded the R&D, the continued maintenance of the satellites, and the unearned "rent" of the private company that is selling them a GPS product (in this case Garmin).
While I enjoy using my Garmin Edge 500 and all the technological innovations, I know full well that, in part, Garmin's success and ability to derive potentially monopolistic power and profits stems from its ability to have let taxpayers absorb the high R&D costs of the development of GPS.
"GPS was originally intended for military applications, but in the 1980s, the government made the system available for civilian use."
Each time a U.S. consumer purchases a GPS device, they are "double-taxed" because they already funded the R&D, the continued maintenance of the satellites, and the unearned "rent" of the private company that is selling them a GPS product (in this case Garmin).
While I enjoy using my Garmin Edge 500 and all the technological innovations, I know full well that, in part, Garmin's success and ability to derive potentially monopolistic power and profits stems from its ability to have let taxpayers absorb the high R&D costs of the development of GPS.
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While I enjoy using my Garmin Edge 500 and all the technological innovations, I know full well that, in part, Garmin's success and ability to derive potentially monopolistic power and profits stems from its ability to have let taxpayers absorb the high R&D costs of the development of GPS.
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Double Bingo!
I know nothing about technical aspects of different GPS instruments. I would like to comment on the counting calories concern. Who cares how many calories you burn. If you eat properly and do workouts that enable you to meet your goals, calorie counts will take care of themselves. It doesn't mean anything and will not have an effect on your training or results. Don't sweat'em.
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In fact, if you are eating properly and working out really hard, you may gain weight and speed, by way of adding muscle and losing fat. Muscle weighs more than an equal amout of fat.
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Capitalism in the U.S. is often rooted in technology paid for by taxpayers (channeled through Pentagon appropriations). There sure are a lot of bicycles parked outside M.I.T.
I said "potentially monopolistic" which is different from pure monopoly. 70% market share likely means they can inflate prices.
"Garmin remains the number one supplier in the U.S. (with a market share of more than 70%) and one of the largest suppliers in Europe (around 32% market share at the end of the last quarter)." European socialism has a more competiitve GPS market than U.S. capitalism! Kind of like ISPs in Europe, faster speeds, much less expensive.
It is logically impossible for the D.o.D. to have developed GPS without developing the technology behind the receivers. While private companies may have made revisions to the original design (much less expensive and risky), the high cost was borne by the U.S. taxpayer.
I am a U.S. consumer and taxpayer. I now pay Garmin high prices due to a mixture of their potentially monopolistic domination of the market for a technology that my parents and grandparents' tax dollars helped fund. There should be some kind of discount for products sold by companies who use technology paid for by U.S. tax dollars. The same argument can be made for the large pharmaceutical monopolies in the U.S.
I said "potentially monopolistic" which is different from pure monopoly. 70% market share likely means they can inflate prices.
"Garmin remains the number one supplier in the U.S. (with a market share of more than 70%) and one of the largest suppliers in Europe (around 32% market share at the end of the last quarter)." European socialism has a more competiitve GPS market than U.S. capitalism! Kind of like ISPs in Europe, faster speeds, much less expensive.
It is logically impossible for the D.o.D. to have developed GPS without developing the technology behind the receivers. While private companies may have made revisions to the original design (much less expensive and risky), the high cost was borne by the U.S. taxpayer.
I am a U.S. consumer and taxpayer. I now pay Garmin high prices due to a mixture of their potentially monopolistic domination of the market for a technology that my parents and grandparents' tax dollars helped fund. There should be some kind of discount for products sold by companies who use technology paid for by U.S. tax dollars. The same argument can be made for the large pharmaceutical monopolies in the U.S.
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I thought calories were just something that people with eating disorders worried about.
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You're getting way off topic. Of the trillions of dollars the US has spent on defense over the past two decades US consumers should consider themselves lucky to get a technology like GPS. Usually the money just gets thrown down a rabbit hole and we get no benefit from it. GPS is also being used in aviation to replace older forms of navigation and instrument landing systems that cost much more to maintain. It is quite a stretch to suggest that Garmin is gaining some unique benefit from it since any market participant can make a GPS chip/receiver.
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It is logically impossible for the D.o.D. to have developed GPS without developing the technology behind the receivers. While private companies may have made revisions to the original design (much less expensive and risky), the high cost was borne by the U.S. taxpayer.
I am a U.S. consumer and taxpayer. I now pay Garmin high prices due to a mixture of their potentially monopolistic domination of the market for a technology that my parents and grandparents' tax dollars helped fund. There should be some kind of discount for products sold by companies who use technology paid for by U.S. tax dollars. The same argument can be made for the large pharmaceutical monopolies in the U.S.
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70% market share in what? Location devices? Incorrect and not even close. We're talking about fitness equipment here not some narrow segment of the automotive market.
Ignorance is bliss. The technology behind the receiver is basic math and physics. the DOD didn't invent anything here. Making small, low power, low cost multi-channel receivers takes hundreds of millions of dollars in R&D investments. While Garmin made none of these investments, other companies did.
Ignorance is bliss. The technology behind the receiver is basic math and physics. the DOD didn't invent anything here. Making small, low power, low cost multi-channel receivers takes hundreds of millions of dollars in R&D investments. While Garmin made none of these investments, other companies did.
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edit: and no I don't work for Garmin but I have had a fair amount of experience developing products and understand the challenges associated with releasing quality products and trying to keep multiple parties happy. So it's fair to say that I empathize with Garmin and realize it's not as easy as many people think.
If you think it's easy to make products like Garmin's then you should probably get into that business as it appears to be very lucrative.
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Just having some fun with the tinfoil hat crowd. It's clearly a hot-button issue for a few of you so it's kind of entertaining to wind you up.
edit: and no I don't work for Garmin but I have had a fair amount of experience developing products and understand the challenges associated with releasing quality products and trying to keep multiple parties happy. So it's fair to say that I empathize with Garmin and realize it's not as easy as many people think.
If you think it's easy to make products like Garmin's then you should probably get into that business as it appears to be very lucrative.
edit: and no I don't work for Garmin but I have had a fair amount of experience developing products and understand the challenges associated with releasing quality products and trying to keep multiple parties happy. So it's fair to say that I empathize with Garmin and realize it's not as easy as many people think.
If you think it's easy to make products like Garmin's then you should probably get into that business as it appears to be very lucrative.
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Just having some fun with the tinfoil hat crowd. It's clearly a hot-button issue for a few of you so it's kind of entertaining to wind you up.
edit: and no I don't work for Garmin but I have had a fair amount of experience developing products and understand the challenges associated with releasing quality products and trying to keep multiple parties happy. So it's fair to say that I empathize with Garmin and realize it's not as easy as many people think.
If you think it's easy to make products like Garmin's then you should probably get into that business as it appears to be very lucrative.
edit: and no I don't work for Garmin but I have had a fair amount of experience developing products and understand the challenges associated with releasing quality products and trying to keep multiple parties happy. So it's fair to say that I empathize with Garmin and realize it's not as easy as many people think.
If you think it's easy to make products like Garmin's then you should probably get into that business as it appears to be very lucrative.
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I agree and my experience with displayed versus actual calories is identical.
On getting Garmin to fix things, that company ranks right at the top of arrogance and not caring about customers. They are concerned with revenue and bottom line profit. As long as people keep buying, that's all that matters. I've used their equipment in boating, hiking and cycling and their attitude is exactly the same with all their products.
On getting Garmin to fix things, that company ranks right at the top of arrogance and not caring about customers. They are concerned with revenue and bottom line profit. As long as people keep buying, that's all that matters. I've used their equipment in boating, hiking and cycling and their attitude is exactly the same with all their products.
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Just having some fun with the tinfoil hat crowd. It's clearly a hot-button issue for a few of you so it's kind of entertaining to wind you up.
edit: and no I don't work for Garmin but I have had a fair amount of experience developing products and understand the challenges associated with releasing quality products and trying to keep multiple parties happy. So it's fair to say that I empathize with Garmin and realize it's not as easy as many people think.
If you think it's easy to make products like Garmin's then you should probably get into that business as it appears to be very lucrative.
edit: and no I don't work for Garmin but I have had a fair amount of experience developing products and understand the challenges associated with releasing quality products and trying to keep multiple parties happy. So it's fair to say that I empathize with Garmin and realize it's not as easy as many people think.
If you think it's easy to make products like Garmin's then you should probably get into that business as it appears to be very lucrative.
Newsflash. There are many companies that make similar devices without all of Garmin's issues. This is obvious.
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You're getting way off topic. Of the trillions of dollars the US has spent on defense over the past two decades US consumers should consider themselves lucky to get a technology like GPS. Usually the money just gets thrown down a rabbit hole and we get no benefit from it. GPS is also being used in aviation to replace older forms of navigation and instrument landing systems that cost much more to maintain. It is quite a stretch to suggest that Garmin is gaining some unique benefit from it since any market participant can make a GPS chip/receiver.
Lucky? To get something we paid for many years after it was developed at massive cost? Puh-lease.
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What? All these people are just making it up? Then you cite the Edge 1000 which was a disaster when it was released, which Garmin knew, and is only marginally better now? Saying that 9 out of 10 issues are from not reading the manual just means you lack reading comprehension.
The Garmin hate is a bit of a head scratcher to me. I've been using Garmin products for a long time and they typically work for me. Granted, they are not the most intuitive devices I've used, but once you actually take the time to actually RTFM and get into the settings a bit, they typically work very reliably.
My Edge 1000 works like clockwork. During rides, I'm more concerned about the drivetrain and wheels on my bike, than my Edge not working. I've even started using their Garmin Connect, Viviofit and VIRB products daily and they all work too. And they are all sync'ed up and working together.
Their support is typically decent as well. I called about their HRM that came with my Edge bundle being a little spotty and they sent me another one for free that works fine. Is that terrible customer service and support?
The place I see the Garmin hate the most is here, but more so on a user-supported help forum. Reading through that support forum 9 times out of 10, the person is *****ing before they read the manual and the only reason the device isn't doing what they want is they don't understand how to enable the functionality. Once someone explains it to them and shows them how to make their device work, do they stop complaining about Garmin even though their device is working properly? Nope
My Edge 1000 works like clockwork. During rides, I'm more concerned about the drivetrain and wheels on my bike, than my Edge not working. I've even started using their Garmin Connect, Viviofit and VIRB products daily and they all work too. And they are all sync'ed up and working together.
Their support is typically decent as well. I called about their HRM that came with my Edge bundle being a little spotty and they sent me another one for free that works fine. Is that terrible customer service and support?
The place I see the Garmin hate the most is here, but more so on a user-supported help forum. Reading through that support forum 9 times out of 10, the person is *****ing before they read the manual and the only reason the device isn't doing what they want is they don't understand how to enable the functionality. Once someone explains it to them and shows them how to make their device work, do they stop complaining about Garmin even though their device is working properly? Nope
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Apparently. It's not like there are a lot of other options. I'm looking at the Mio's right now.
I'm surprised nobody has posted DC Rainmakers article on how Garmin devices measure calories.
How calorie measurement works on Garmin fitness devices | DC Rainmaker
I'm surprised nobody has posted DC Rainmakers article on how Garmin devices measure calories.
How calorie measurement works on Garmin fitness devices | DC Rainmaker