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Old 01-27-15, 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by RPK79
Do you draft him?
Duh. Don't hate the player, hate the game.
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I was able to get my son out on his tricycle during the nice weather yesterday - two laps around the block. I neither Strava'd nor took pictures of the muck in his drivetrain (he was aiming for the puddles, that little booger), though.
Doesn't everyone?
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Originally Posted by RPK79
Football is just a silly game. It doesn't deserve the attention it gets.
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Nope. I'm not touching that thing. Not even going to true the wobbly wheels.
Something to do in front of a football game.
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Originally Posted by 2manybikes
About 2.5 feet + in the flat areas. Very fine soft snow. Drifting like crazy, high winds. Across the street from my window is a parking lot that goes all the way across the block to the next street. I can't see across the parking lot. It's a white out. I'm very lucky, my next door neighbor likes to fix small engines and restore old machinery. He's outside using his restored snow blower, he usually does my house and the one past my house too. He's doing it now, because in a little while it would be too deep for his machine. Blizzard conditions all day at least are predicted.

Lesson for today - Get cash from the bank before the storm so you can pay someone to do your driveway. The snow plow "berm" is up to my waist.

Not a good day to be a Corgi. It's taller than he is. He only has 2" ground clearance too. I have to go out and make a path for him now. He's had breakfast.

Photos soon.
I guess my dad's not going out in the Vette today. He lives in Cranston.
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Vette's are great in snow, second only to F-Body GM's.
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Originally Posted by RPK79
Do you draft him?
No way he could keep up
Dropped like a bad habit
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Originally Posted by Heathpack
Hey @3alarmer. When you go for a bike ride, how do you decide what bike to ride? Do you have a main squeeze type bike or do you pretty much ride a different bike every time? I've been wondering this for awhile, don't know why I suddenly decided to ask.

Also, I have a citrus growing question if you don't mind.
...lately, with the winter weather, it's been whichever one got reconditioned most recently, because it's closest to the garage door.
Also, I need to take some photos to document ownership on the most recent ones, for when someone steals them all.

I don't miind questions about gardening, if you are prepared for possibly disappointing answers. Gardening and horticulture are filled with failure and disappointment.
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Originally Posted by rjones28
Winter project: bearing upgrade for the Barbie bike.
...this will seem like complaining, but it's really more of a high five to the Chinese bike makers.
I recently helped some guy open up a hub, and the hub races were poured in there, in the manner of Babbitt bearings.

Way to go, guys.
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Originally Posted by 2manybikes
About 2.5 feet + in the flat areas. Very fine soft snow. Drifting like crazy, high winds. Across the street from my window is a parking lot that goes all the way across the block to the next street. I can't see across the parking lot. It's a white out. I'm very lucky, my next door neighbor likes to fix small engines and restore old machinery. He's outside using his restored snow blower, he usually does my house and the one past my house too. He's doing it now, because in a little while it would be too deep for his machine. Blizzard conditions all day at least are predicted.

Lesson for today - Get cash from the bank before the storm so you can pay someone to do your driveway. The snow plow "berm" is up to my waist.

Not a good day to be a Corgi. It's taller than he is. He only has 2" ground clearance too. I have to go out and make a path for him now. He's had breakfast.

Photos soon.
Wow, I'm jealous.

Hang in there.
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I have no problems with the NFL doling out even-handed punishment, I'm merely pointing out that fans are calling for a decidedly disproportional response when compared to the punishments received, as a result of infractions, by other teams. What sanctions were taken against the Vikings when they were caught, red-handed, heating up balls earlier in the season? They didn't even have to go to the principal's office, they got a warning instead - almost no fans noticed this whole episode at the time, but those that did merely yawned (I was one of them). In terms of the severity of the infractions, I don't know how you can argue that "DeflateGate" is any worse (and let's not forget that there's no proof at this point, merely suspicion), yet people are advocating that vacating wins (something that, to my knowledge, has never happened in NFL history) is appropriate? Sorry - I don't see how that's not an overreaction.
If you want the punishment kept in line with previous ones, well, that's on you. I wasn't expressing it here, but I've called Goodell a cowardly lion before (Roethlisberger, Vick, Bountygate, and others I can't remember). Were your Vikings warned, after being caught outright cheating before, warned to adhere to the rules in the future? With the same coach and owner in charge? If the Gateriots get away with a slap on the wrist I may just switch over to college football. For all the myriad issues with the NCAA, they at least have the fortitude to actually enforce their rules. Break the rules? Goodnight. And now they have a respectable championship. Lack a team to root for, sadly.

If your kid were caught cheating on a test, and said "but Daddy, I knew the material anyway", would you say "oh, well that's ok then kiddo, no problem"? I doubt it.
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Apparently someone DID check at least one ball during the game, that's how the issue was discovered. Fact of the matter is, here's an OCD coach who will do anything to win, and has shown time and again that he's willing to cheat to do so, if necessary.

What if the whole league started looking and finding ways to cheat? The league would become much like the pro cycling league, with rampant uncontrolled cheating, playing on insignificant networks you have to hunt down and pray you find on some remote channel. A fringe sport. Then, without football, what will become of America? Watch hockey? I don't think so.
Well we could all participate and watch a sport that would never under any circumstance be involved in anything like this......cycling
Also any opinions coming out of New York or that of NY fanboys are automatically thrown out....
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Originally Posted by LAJ
Vette's are great in snow, second only to F-Body GM's.
He also has an F-Body Trans Am.
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Originally Posted by Bah Humbug
If your kid were caught cheating on a test, and said "but Daddy, I knew the material anyway", would you say "oh, well that's ok then kiddo, no problem"? I doubt it.
That's a pretty good analogy.
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Originally Posted by rpenmanparker
That's a pretty good analogy.
No doubt. Only the rich and well-connected can get away with being repeat offenders. If you have enough money you can get away with virtually anything.
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No doubt. Only the rich and well-connected can get away with being repeat offenders. If you have enough money you can get away with virtually anything.
Much as I hate the Cowboys, let me salute your team for playing (and, this season, being fairly successful) within the rules.
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after a long and tiring day, do you feel like taking the next day off to go ride your bike?

That's what I've got wine and rum for.
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Originally Posted by rpenmanparker
That's a pretty good analogy.
I disagree. As an analogy, it removes too many factors to remain relevant to the situation. If we were going with the cheating child analogy, it would need to include multiple children, numerous previous infractions of varying severity and the accompanying punishments. Then if Timmy gets caught cheating on a test just like Johnny did last year, Timmy deserves the same punishment that Johnny got last year. Well, okay - maybe it's a second infraction, so maybe you double length of the grounding. What you don't do, however, is give Timmy a worse punishment than what Ryan received when he got caught maliciously hurling rocks at other kids and had to spend some time in juvie.

Like it or not, precedents have been set and grossly exceeding them would be trouble for the NFL, both in terms of viewership and impending lawsuits from wronged parties.
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Originally Posted by WhyFi
I disagree. As an analogy, it removes too many factors to remain relevant to the situation. If we were going with the cheating child analogy, it would need to include multiple children, numerous previous infractions of varying severity and the accompanying punishments. Then if Timmy gets caught cheating on a test just like Johnny did last year, Timmy deserves the same punishment that Johnny got last year. Well, okay - maybe it's a second infraction, so maybe you double length of the grounding. What you don't do, however, is give Timmy a worse punishment than what Ryan received when he got caught maliciously hurling rocks at other kids and had to spend some time in juvie.

Like it or not, precedents have been set and grossly exceeding them would be trouble for the NFL, both in terms of viewership and impending lawsuits from wronged parties.
You're thinking from a legal perspective; I'm thinking from an ethical perspective. If the precedent is that the NFL is an organization without the ability to enforce its rules and Goodell is a toothless housecat, it's hard to take seriously.
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Originally Posted by Bah Humbug
If the precedent is that the NFL is an organization without the ability to enforce its rules and Goodell is bought and paid for, it's hard to take seriously.
Adjusted to hit the nail on the head.
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Haters gonna hate...America loves a winner ....unless they win to much. May we pause and consider that all of this is speculation and nothing more. That Hummer and the Sheriff are ready to convict the Patriots until the facts are known only go to show that I never want them on a jury. Wait until the facts are in. Until then, enjoy what should be a great game between the two BEST teams in football.
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Originally Posted by Bah Humbug
You're thinking from a legal perspective; I'm thinking from an ethical perspective.
Maybe I'm not understanding exactly what you're saying, but I don't see that these things are mutually exclusive.

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If the precedent is that the NFL is an organization without the ability to enforce its rules and Goodell is a toothless housecat, it's hard to take seriously.
Would it be any easier to take them seriously if they doled out punishments of varying severity in a willy-nilly fashion? Do you think that owners would put up with it? Do you think that fans would put up with it?

At the end of the day, I look at it like this: if it another team were in this situation, a team that I'm absolutely indifferent about, let's say, the Titans (they're still in the league, right?), would I feel differently about it? Nope, not at all - it would be much ado about nothing to me.
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Originally Posted by WhyFi
I disagree. As an analogy, it removes too many factors to remain relevant to the situation. If we were going with the cheating child analogy, it would need to include multiple children, numerous previous infractions of varying severity and the accompanying punishments. Then if Timmy gets caught cheating on a test just like Johnny did last year, Timmy deserves the same punishment that Johnny got last year. Well, okay - maybe it's a second infraction, so maybe you double length of the grounding. What you don't do, however, is give Timmy a worse punishment than what Ryan received when he got caught maliciously hurling rocks at other kids and had to spend some time in juvie.

Like it or not, precedents have been set and grossly exceeding them would be trouble for the NFL, both in terms of viewership and impending lawsuits from wronged parties.
It's never too late to get back on the right track. Precedent should be a guide, not a rule.
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Whi-Fi is spot on...WHO CARES!!
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Originally Posted by WHOOOSSHHH...
Until then, enjoy what should be a great game between the two BEST teams in football.
Yup, gonna be a good one (I hope - I thought the same last year). How many chili dogs are you going to stuff in your maw this year, Whoooshie?
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