What are the widest tires in their respective sizes?
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What are the widest tires in their respective sizes?
Some of you may have seen the thread I started outlining the problems I had with a set of Schwalbe Ultremos in size 28mm. It's here in case you missed it:
https://www.bikeforums.net/road-cycli...patible-2.html
Unfortunately the way Schwalbe manufacturers the bead on their tires, they would not work on my 23mm (ID) rims (See above link for explanation). So I'm looking for a tire that is similar in performance, durability, and weight to the Ultremos but do not want a tire that is spec'd at larger than 28mm. So I'm looking for a tire that the manufacturer rates as a 28mm but is actually larger when mounted.
I tried mounting a Hutchinson Equinox in a 25mm as an experiment (because Schwalbe told me a 28mm was too small for my rim and that's why they kept coming off the rim at the bead) and found it to be 28.5mm on my rim.
So what what tires can I look at that are actually larger than the manufacturer's spec's? I'm looking for slick tires only please. Nothing with a visible tread. I originally chose the Ultremos because from everything I had read about them, they were actually closer to 31mm when mounted.
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https://www.bikeforums.net/road-cycli...patible-2.html
Unfortunately the way Schwalbe manufacturers the bead on their tires, they would not work on my 23mm (ID) rims (See above link for explanation). So I'm looking for a tire that is similar in performance, durability, and weight to the Ultremos but do not want a tire that is spec'd at larger than 28mm. So I'm looking for a tire that the manufacturer rates as a 28mm but is actually larger when mounted.
I tried mounting a Hutchinson Equinox in a 25mm as an experiment (because Schwalbe told me a 28mm was too small for my rim and that's why they kept coming off the rim at the bead) and found it to be 28.5mm on my rim.
So what what tires can I look at that are actually larger than the manufacturer's spec's? I'm looking for slick tires only please. Nothing with a visible tread. I originally chose the Ultremos because from everything I had read about them, they were actually closer to 31mm when mounted.
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You're confusing me here....
Are you saying your rims have a 23mm bead seat width (aka inner width)? That's quite wide; which rims are they?
Are you saying your rims have a 23mm bead seat width (aka inner width)? That's quite wide; which rims are they?
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I don't get the fixation on putting 28c tires on a super wide 29er MTB rim; what's the connection? Why do you think 28 is the size, and if it has anything to do with weight or aero, why are you running heavy MTB wheels?
Anyway, I guess I don't really care, but do think it would behoove you to look at wider tires, if only because you've already tried 28s, but also because I don't think you're sacrificing anything going with 32c.
A tire like the Compass Stampede Pass Extralite 32c at 254g is pretty light for the size:
Compass Bicycles: 700C Tires
Anyway, I guess I don't really care, but do think it would behoove you to look at wider tires, if only because you've already tried 28s, but also because I don't think you're sacrificing anything going with 32c.
A tire like the Compass Stampede Pass Extralite 32c at 254g is pretty light for the size:
Compass Bicycles: 700C Tires
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The Schwalbe is just a fairly loose fitting tyre. I have had trouble with it blowing off some rims as well. It is nothing to do with rim width but is more related to diameter and bead. The Michelin Pro Race in a 25mm is a big tyre and similar to most 28s, though still a bit smaller than the 28mm Ultremo. Similar weight and performance too. Michelin are also bringing out a 28mm but I don't know when it will be available.
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I don't get the fixation on putting 28c tires on a super wide 29er MTB rim; what's the connection? Why do you think 28 is the size, and if it has anything to do with weight or aero, why are you running heavy MTB wheels?
Anyway, I guess I don't really care, but do think it would behoove you to look at wider tires, if only because you've already tried 28s, but also because I don't think you're sacrificing anything going with 32c.
A tire like the Compass Stampede Pass Extralite 32c at 254g is pretty light for the size:
Compass Bicycles: 700C Tires
Anyway, I guess I don't really care, but do think it would behoove you to look at wider tires, if only because you've already tried 28s, but also because I don't think you're sacrificing anything going with 32c.
A tire like the Compass Stampede Pass Extralite 32c at 254g is pretty light for the size:
Compass Bicycles: 700C Tires
I don't claim to know every model tire from every brand so I'm asking for input from others that may know of a model I'm not familiar with. So please, I'm ONLY looking for slick tires in size 28mm. I do not want a tire with any visible tread nor do I want a tire larger than 28mm. Once the tire gets any larger than 28mm they tend to trend more towards a hybrid tire which in turn gets much heavier than I would like and finding them in a slick becomes difficult. Yes, I realize the wheels I chose are heavier than some road wheels I could have used but I chose these because of the look of the wheels. And because of the profile of a 28mm tire on a wide rim it it will give me the ride quality I'm looking for. Additionally using a lighter 28mm tire will offset the additional weight from the wheels.
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The Schwalbe is just a fairly loose fitting tyre. I have had trouble with it blowing off some rims as well. It is nothing to do with rim width but is more related to diameter and bead. The Michelin Pro Race in a 25mm is a big tyre and similar to most 28s, though still a bit smaller than the 28mm Ultremo. Similar weight and performance too. Michelin are also bringing out a 28mm but I don't know when it will be available.
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The 'tread' on a gatorskin is totally negligible, like something they stamp into the tire for aesthetics. I don't think it even touches the ground unless you're cornering hard. Whatever.
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Relax. People here are honestly trying to help an inexperienced cyclist. Worrying or being concerned about a little tread (that will soon wear off) doesn't make sense to anyone which is why most just ignore that criteria. You're not getting many knowledgable responses because you've settled on a very odd wheel and tire combination.
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I'm sure it will, but the Compass SP-EL has both a '32' embossed on the sidewall and tiny diagonal sipes on the tread surface and apparently those two characteristics take it out of the running.
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Relax. People here are honestly trying to help an inexperienced cyclist. Worrying or being concerned about a little tread (that will soon wear off) doesn't make sense to anyone which is why most just ignore that criteria. You're not getting many knowledgable responses because you've settled on a very odd wheel and tire combination.
That said, I have real concerns about whether any 28c road tire will be secure on a 23mm bsw rim. I dunno for sure it will be a problem, and in fact, I run 28c Vittoria Randonneur Pros on 20mm bsw Velocity Blunts without problem, but another 3mm could be a game changer. I'd be very unhappy to pop a bead in a turn.
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That's why I asked. The tread on my Gators doesn't touch the ground unless I'm cornering at a truly terrifying velocity.
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Challenge Strada Bianca, 700x30mm. DONE.
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And oh BTW, in reference to your suggestion on the Challenge Strada...... it's a 30mm tire. But I guess you know whats best for me and what I really want right?
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It is true that I consider the traditional road herringbone, or file, pattern together with totally treadless as "slicks," but it was my mistake that I overlooked the "no visible tread" requirement laid out by the OP as being related to weight, rather than being an aesthetic thing. They were really quite clear about that, so I understand their frustration.
That said, I have real concerns about whether any 28c road tire will be secure on a 23mm bsw rim. I dunno for sure it will be a problem, and in fact, I run 28c Vittoria Randonneur Pros on 20mm bsw Velocity Blunts without problem, but another 3mm could be a game changer. I'd be very unhappy to pop a bead in a turn.
That said, I have real concerns about whether any 28c road tire will be secure on a 23mm bsw rim. I dunno for sure it will be a problem, and in fact, I run 28c Vittoria Randonneur Pros on 20mm bsw Velocity Blunts without problem, but another 3mm could be a game changer. I'd be very unhappy to pop a bead in a turn.
I'm pretty sure if the tire doesn't say "Schwalbe" on the side mounting a 28mm tire on my rim won't be a problem. Just to see I mounted a 25mm Hutchinson Equinox on the wheel at max psi without any issues.
Here is a photo of the difference in the beads between the Hutchinson and the Schwalbe. It's very easy to see why the Schwalbe wouldn't stay seated....
While that may be true on a narrower rim, if mounted on a wide rim like the one I'm using it will have a different profile and be in contact with the road more often than not. Also, it's not about the tread making contact with the road. It's more about aesthetics.
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