lopek77

And that's the problem...

I grew up on organic food and drinks. Everything was natural, no pesticides, no hormones, no fillers and crap like that. There was no need to invent fake vitamins, and to add them to the food...all needed vitamins were in our food already.
No boxed, canned or packaged crap also... It's not "BS propaganda" that I believe in... I see my sick friends all around me...Taking pills because they eat crap, then taking pills to kill side effects of the first pill...and so on.
If you think it's BS, and it's ok to eat any stuff - no matter how it was made - go ahead. It's your stomach. Do your healthy exercise, and then flood yourself with artificial crap. They are winning and you are loosing...

Carbonfiberboy 

Just as long as we don't loose too much . . .

deacon mark

Someone has confused things, I ride a bike to drink good beer. This is way to complicated.

rpenmanparker 

Good beer=oxymoron

rpenmanparker 

It's not okay to eat any stuff. It is okay, however, to eat high fructose corn ssyrup, as much as any other sucrose type sweetener. HFCS is essentially sucrose just broken down into its component parts. It is sugar from a vegetable source just like cane or sugar beets. Part of it comes from fermenting the other part. Why should that be unhealthy? Fermentation is so natural that it is how your cacao beans (which you gladly consume) are processed to give them their characteristic flavor. Nothing wrong with ranting about unhealthy food...but only if you are right. In the case of HFCS, not so much...as long as you don't consume too much of it.

rpenmanparker 

The reason to point out one ingredient is that is the only one you defamed by name. Tell me what else is specifically in your disapproved chocolate milk and I will let you know yea or nay about those products too.

rpenmanparker 

All species populate desirable areas to the limit that they can. It's not "1984" all over again. The Angelinos will work it out...or not.

OldsCOOL

I had no idea that chocolate milk had proportions.

Fox Farm

Exactly. My sister is big on chocolate mild after a work out. I was very dubious. I tried a half a glass and spit it out. Other than being cold and tasting of chocolate, yuck!

Roadbikedude

Yes it is good for post ride refueling - nice amount of protein with a great taste.

rpenmanparker 

Lactase tablets make almond milk totally unnecessary. If it is really tasty to you, well and good. But it isn't needed if you pop a lactase pill or just buy lactose-free cow's milk.

10 Wheels

Good Stuff:

https://www.nesquik.com/adults/produ...ate10pack.aspx

bubbagrannygear

Food Fight!

lopek77

BoSoxYacht

It's tasty with Kahlua, Amaretto, and vodka.

rpenmanparker 

So is air.

cafzali

It's not just the Angelinos, it's a situation that has dire impact for most all of California, as well as Nevada, Arizona and on and on. Most of the Southwest doesn't have what it takes to provide their own water supply. Simply put, we developed areas that weren't designed to house many people. That's happened all over the world, but not with the kind of density you see in the Southwest. And it's not just population. California doesn't really have the water it needs for its agriculture industry either, particularly when you consider that many of the crops they grow are very water intensive.

Gyrine

A couple of clarifying points:
1. HFCS is not sucrose broken down to its component parts. Yes, like sucrose (table sugar), HFCS is a mixture of glucose and fructose but not in the same proportions. There is no way that eating HFCS is the same as eating sucrose. Not only are the proportions different but they are processed in different parts of the body. Many scientists believe fructose, especially free fructose as is in HFCS, is unhealthy.
2. Natural or not natural is not a sane way to categorize food as healthy or not. How do you define "natural"? Everyone's definition is different. And labeling food as natural or not is not regulated.
3. You categorize fermentation as a natural process, I assume because a living organism is involved. Many noxious compounds can easily be prepared by fermentation and include, gases such as hydorgen, methane, and even propane. And several types of organic acids depending on what you feed the organism. Or even lactic acid if you are human. GMO's are living organisms and many people believe the use of GM ingredients in food is an abomination and will kill you.

Lastly, I am convinced that it is not possible to have a rational discussion about food and diet because everyone has their perceptions and beliefs that trump the science. For example, the source of a food is often less important than how the body handles it. But if it's natural - it must be healthy.

BoSoxYacht

AZ, and NV have plenty of water, but CA overuses their resources, and steals it from AZ+NV.

Sullalto

Az and Nv import most of their water. You think there is enough water for 4-5 million people around Phoenix and Las Vegas?

kingfishr

I'm extremely lactose intolerant, but using Lactase tablets from Costco I experience no problems whatsoever when consuming normal dairy products. I generally take from 1/2-2 tablets depending on the amount of milk/dairy. But when products contain pure lactose all bets are off and I usually avoid them.

curlyque

"high amounts of sugar in the diet increase advanced glycation end-products, or AGEs, a protein bound to a glucose molecule, resulting in damaged, cross-linked proteins.
As the body tries to break these AGEs apart, immune cells secrete inflammatory messengers called cytokines. Depending on where the AGEs occur and your genetic predisposition, they could eventually result in arthritis, cataracts, heart disease, poor memory or wrinkled skin".

redlude97

1. HFCS and sucrose are 55:45 and 50:50 fructose:glucose respectively. The small difference in ratios is negligible in the context of their consumption, and eating HFCS IS essentially the same as eating sucrose. Their caloric value is essentially the same, and their composition is almost the same. They are not "processed" in different parts of the body, both HFCS and sucrose travel to the small intestine before they are absorbed into the bloodstream. The only difference is that sucrose gets enzymatically cleaved there by sucrase which happens immediately, at which point it is just free fructose and glucose. At that point, the free fructose is EXACTLY THE SAME as from the the HFCS, all the "dangers" of fructose apply to the free fructose from the glucose at this point. They are absorbed through the exact same transmembrane proteins. NEWFLASH: Both sucrose and HFCS are unhealthy in large amounts!
2. OK, what's your point exactly?
3. OK, again, what's your point exactly? The consensus among the scientific community is that GMO that have been approved for use have been proven to be safe through rigorous testing, so please don't use an argument from ignorance to try to make your point.

Clearly its not possible, because your beliefs are ignoring the science.

redlude97

Honest question, do you actually understand what that quote and its implications? Do you know what a cytokine is?

curlyque

It's a quote..how much am I obligated to understand? I am overtly anti-sugar. I'll toss anything out on the table.