The bike industry is killing itself with new "standards" that offer too few benefits
03-27-15, 01:10 PM
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I believe you are the one off topic here given the OP. I'm reporting you to the moderator
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03-27-15, 01:16 PM
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No, you don't get it. I'm not arguing with you about the relative merits or faults of CF. I've got better things to do. 
You're so used to splitting hairs with your cohorts around here you think every post is an argument. It is not.
I'm saying you're flat out wrong to arrogantly imply that anyone who doesn't choose a CF bike doesn't know anything about modern day bikes. Period. All the proselytizing and chest-pumping aside, your statement is wrong.
You're so used to splitting hairs with your cohorts around here you think every post is an argument. It is not.I'm saying you're flat out wrong to arrogantly imply that anyone who doesn't choose a CF bike doesn't know anything about modern day bikes. Period. All the proselytizing and chest-pumping aside, your statement is wrong.
03-27-15, 01:21 PM
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You and the cohorts can argue about the rest until the cows come home.
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03-27-15, 01:35 PM
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No, you don't get it. I'm not arguing with you about the relative merits or faults of CF. I've got better things to do. You're so used to splitting hairs with your cohorts around here you think every post is an argument. It is not.
I'm saying you're flat out wrong to arrogantly imply that anyone who doesn't choose a CF bike doesn't know anything about modern day bikes. Period. All the proselytizing and chest-pumping aside, your statement is wrong.
You're so used to splitting hairs with your cohorts around here you think every post is an argument. It is not.I'm saying you're flat out wrong to arrogantly imply that anyone who doesn't choose a CF bike doesn't know anything about modern day bikes. Period. All the proselytizing and chest-pumping aside, your statement is wrong.
03-27-15, 01:35 PM
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It isn't a coincidence or luck that carbon is preferred. People ride it and prefer it..those that ride aggressively at least.
Same with 11 speed. If the majority preferred yesterday's 5 speed, 5 speed would be on all the top level bikes. Same with downtube friction shifters...single bolt serrated aluminum seat posts, leather saddles...loose ball versus cartridge bearings in wheelsets....stiffer deep V aerodynamic wheelsets with fewer spoke count....Garmin computers versus wired speed only computers, 31.8 handlebar clamp diameter versus 26mm to mitigate handlebar rotation during sprinting. A very long list of improvement to a drop bar racing bicycle in the last 20 years. Almost striking. Not 8 track to digital striking but a huge evolution.
03-27-15, 01:38 PM
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McDonald's hamburgers are better than any other hamburgers because they sell more of them.
03-27-15, 01:46 PM
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03-27-15, 01:54 PM
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Consumers, if they can afford it, generally choose the highest value option. That people are not flocking to steel road bikes at any price and are instead choosing $2000 carbon fiber bikes means something. It's not like you can't get a quality steel or aluminum bike stocked with 20 year old technology anymore. I see you just got a new Rivendell, so you obviously know you can still buy 20 year old technology...
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03-27-15, 01:59 PM
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But what I claim is supported is the point. It is supported by what sells. The market determines what designs are best.
It isn't a coincidence or luck that carbon is preferred. People ride it and prefer it..those that ride aggressively at least.
Same with 11 speed. If the majority preferred yesterday's 5 speed, 5 speed would be on all the top level bikes. Same with downtube friction shifters...single bolt serrated aluminum seat posts, leather saddles...loose ball versus cartridge bearings in wheelsets....stiffer deep V aerodynamic wheelsets with fewer spoke count....Garmin computers versus wired speed only computers, 31.8 handlebar clamp diameter versus 26mm to mitigate handlebar rotation during sprinting. A very long list of improvement to a drop bar racing bicycle in the last 20 years. Almost striking. Not 8 track to digital striking but a huge evolution.
It isn't a coincidence or luck that carbon is preferred. People ride it and prefer it..those that ride aggressively at least.
Same with 11 speed. If the majority preferred yesterday's 5 speed, 5 speed would be on all the top level bikes. Same with downtube friction shifters...single bolt serrated aluminum seat posts, leather saddles...loose ball versus cartridge bearings in wheelsets....stiffer deep V aerodynamic wheelsets with fewer spoke count....Garmin computers versus wired speed only computers, 31.8 handlebar clamp diameter versus 26mm to mitigate handlebar rotation during sprinting. A very long list of improvement to a drop bar racing bicycle in the last 20 years. Almost striking. Not 8 track to digital striking but a huge evolution.
03-27-15, 02:07 PM
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Are you saying bikes have gotten dirt cheap and someone didn't tell me? Cuz that's how Micky-Ds does it. And now that companies like Five Guys are coming up with making relatively inexpensive food at a much better quality level, Micky-D is bleeding.
Consumers, if they can afford it, generally choose the highest value option. That people are not flocking to steel road bikes at any price and are instead choosing $2000 carbon fiber bikes means something. It's not like you can't get a quality steel or aluminum bike stocked with 20 year old technology anymore. I see you just got a new Rivendell, so you obviously know you can still buy 20 year old technology...
Consumers, if they can afford it, generally choose the highest value option. That people are not flocking to steel road bikes at any price and are instead choosing $2000 carbon fiber bikes means something. It's not like you can't get a quality steel or aluminum bike stocked with 20 year old technology anymore. I see you just got a new Rivendell, so you obviously know you can still buy 20 year old technology...
03-27-15, 02:23 PM
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Yea, once you figure out how to weld it, Aluminum is much easier to work with than steel. Works better as a bike frame material too (unless you go around habitually dropping your frame on concrete curbs).
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"If you’re new enough [to racing] that you would ask such question, then i would hazard a guess that if you just made up a workout that sounded hard to do, and did it, you’d probably get faster." --the tiniest sprinter
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"If you’re new enough [to racing] that you would ask such question, then i would hazard a guess that if you just made up a workout that sounded hard to do, and did it, you’d probably get faster." --the tiniest sprinter
