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Forum: Advocacy & Safety
06-04-14, 05:18 PM
Replies: 187
Views: 9,397
Posted By John Forester

The discussion started with my statement that the...

The discussion started with my statement that the streetcar and automotive revolutions each made enormous changes to the urban form. Each of these changes occurred because the change in...
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
06-03-14, 03:07 PM
Replies: 187
Views: 9,397
Posted By John Forester

Genec claims that there is lots of A going on,...

Genec claims that there is lots of A going on, and offers three examples to demonstrate it. However, none of his examples are examples of A. Therefore, there has been no presentation of any evidence...
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
06-03-14, 12:00 PM
Replies: 187
Views: 9,397
Posted By John Forester

I had just described the changes in urban form...

I had just described the changes in urban form produced by the changes from walking to streetcar to automotive cities, to which I added: " What I also say is that the puny efforts of bicycle...
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
06-03-14, 11:34 AM
Replies: 187
Views: 9,397
Posted By John Forester

I repeat what I have written before. The proposed...

I repeat what I have written before. The proposed facility is what the public wants, so build it. I suppose that it is better to ride among the parking lot traffic than among the pedestrians, which...
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
06-03-14, 11:31 AM
Replies: 187
Views: 9,397
Posted By John Forester

I was replying to kickstart's statement that...

I was replying to kickstart's statement that bikeways should be built for all users not just the "dedicated enthusiasts". Certainly, that is an ambiguous phrase; I really don't know to which group...
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
06-02-14, 09:25 PM
Replies: 187
Views: 9,397
Posted By John Forester

I am curious as to why you chose to phrase the...

I am curious as to why you chose to phrase the above statement as you did. American policy about bicycle facilities is to design them to suit the popular taste; it is the dedicated enthusiasts who...
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
06-02-14, 03:25 PM
Replies: 187
Views: 9,397
Posted By John Forester

This is not so. NYC, Boston, Philadelphia, San...

This is not so. NYC, Boston, Philadelphia, San Francisco, Chicago, Oakland, Los Angeles, all were streetcar (rail) cities before 1900. It is correct that these cities, some more than others, rebuilt...
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
06-01-14, 08:25 PM
Replies: 187
Views: 9,397
Posted By John Forester

In answer to my skepticism about changing...

In answer to my skepticism about changing American cities to the Dutch pattern, Genec argues that change is always possible: "And yet so many cities did change... with the advent of the motor...
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
06-01-14, 08:09 PM
Replies: 187
Views: 9,397
Posted By John Forester

Just build something such as has been proposed....

Just build something such as has been proposed. Those who lack cycling skills want it, and they have political power. But don't expect what cannot reasonably be delivered, a facility suitable for...
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
06-01-14, 08:05 PM
Replies: 187
Views: 9,397
Posted By John Forester

The weight of the evidence is that those cyclists...

The weight of the evidence is that those cyclists who practice vehicular cycling have a crash rate less than 20% of that of the general American cycling public; 20% to 25% when groups in which...
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
06-01-14, 05:31 PM
Replies: 187
Views: 9,397
Posted By John Forester

Cranky has expressed his hopes for the future....

Cranky has expressed his hopes for the future. However, America has not yet done anything to implement his hopes; all that has been done in the bicycle transportation field was designed to make...
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
06-01-14, 01:52 PM
Replies: 187
Views: 9,397
Posted By John Forester

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Forum: Advocacy & Safety
06-01-14, 10:57 AM
Replies: 187
Views: 9,397
Posted By John Forester

The first edition of Effective Cycling came out...

The first edition of Effective Cycling came out in 1976. The seventh edition came out last year. See The MIT Press.
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
06-01-14, 09:18 AM
Replies: 187
Views: 9,397
Posted By John Forester

I regard your statement as one more piece of...

I regard your statement as one more piece of evidence demonstrating the undeniable fact that the American public know nothing about cyclist traffic safety.
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
05-31-14, 08:57 PM
Replies: 187
Views: 9,397
Posted By John Forester

Both sides have their names, and such naming is...

Both sides have their names, and such naming is necessary for speedy discussion. You cannot consider that the segregationists could be called the American cyclists, which appears to be your desire.
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
05-31-14, 08:54 PM
Replies: 187
Views: 9,397
Posted By John Forester

I have not written that the proposed Westlake...

I have not written that the proposed Westlake path should not be built. I have only stated, although perhaps indirectly, that it cannot reasonably be built with a high design speed. Since there...
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
05-31-14, 06:39 PM
Replies: 187
Views: 9,397
Posted By John Forester

So far as I can understand, there are some...

So far as I can understand, there are some bicycle advocates who call for segregating bicycle traffic from motor traffic. I see no insult in applying to them the words that they use themselves for...
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
05-31-14, 06:24 PM
Replies: 187
Views: 9,397
Posted By John Forester

Need anything be done to make Westlake Ave safe...

Need anything be done to make Westlake Ave safe for the faster cyclists? I haven't seen any evidence that such is required, and it probably isn't. But, I have not had the opportunity to go over it to...
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
05-30-14, 02:21 PM
Replies: 187
Views: 9,397
Posted By John Forester

That is exactly correct. We now have two sets of...

That is exactly correct. We now have two sets of bikeway designs, AASHTO and NACTO. The AASHTO bikeways were designed specifically to make motoring more convenient by preventing cyclists from...
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
05-30-14, 11:50 AM
Replies: 187
Views: 9,397
Posted By John Forester

Like I told you in the earlier post, put up or...

Like I told you in the earlier post, put up or shut up. Go tell the responsible government to clear the Westlake area as if for a landing strip and see how far that gets you. You seem to have no...
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
05-30-14, 10:07 AM
Replies: 187
Views: 9,397
Posted By John Forester

Your attitude is equivalent to that of some...

Your attitude is equivalent to that of some Mid-Western legislatures who declared that in their state pi=3.0. No matter what the statute says, it cannot be carried out. In the same way, American...
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
05-30-14, 09:55 AM
Replies: 187
Views: 9,397
Posted By John Forester

Posted by daihard: Badly-behaved cyclists are...

Posted by daihard:
Badly-behaved cyclists are usually just cyclists with inadequate infrastructure. Or none at all. - Mikael Colville-Anderson

That's exactly the attitude and policy of America's...
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
05-30-14, 09:35 AM
Replies: 187
Views: 9,397
Posted By John Forester

Well then, Putnam, produce a practical design...

Well then, Putnam, produce a practical design that allows safe cycling at normal road speeds. Put up or shut up.
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
05-30-14, 09:33 AM
Replies: 187
Views: 9,397
Posted By John Forester

What do you mean by a "well-designed bike path"?...

What do you mean by a "well-designed bike path"? Now let us assume that you have created the specifications for such a path. The next issue, planning shall we call it, concerns the extent to which...
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
05-30-14, 09:06 AM
Replies: 187
Views: 9,397
Posted By John Forester

Nobody requires any particular cyclist to operate...

Nobody requires any particular cyclist to operate as either a driver or a pedestrian. The obvious point is that the cyclist has the choice of doing either at any time, which is not at all the same...
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
05-29-14, 08:40 PM
Replies: 187
Views: 9,397
Posted By John Forester

I consider the present condition, how it became...

I consider the present condition, how it became what it is, and what can be expected from it. You advocate some utopian bikeway system that supersedes road use. Where is such? Not even the Dutch have...
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
05-29-14, 06:10 PM
Replies: 187
Views: 9,397
Posted By John Forester

I don't know how serious you are. There has been...

I don't know how serious you are. There has been much discussion of these issues, much of it in this group. And I think, though I have not mastered them, there are ways to search the records of this...
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
05-28-14, 08:42 PM
Replies: 187
Views: 9,397
Posted By John Forester

For one thing, their experience of mass motoring...

For one thing, their experience of mass motoring was catastrophic, as they say so themselves. There are reasons for that, of course, but one result is that the Dutch regard motoring in a very...
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
05-28-14, 08:39 PM
Replies: 187
Views: 9,397
Posted By John Forester

It appears that your aim is to force all cyclists...

It appears that your aim is to force all cyclists to use bikeways. That hasn't played well in the USA.
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
05-28-14, 08:37 PM
Replies: 187
Views: 9,397
Posted By John Forester

That's just not correct. There have been plenty...

That's just not correct. There have been plenty of pictures and videos of bad bikeways and slow bicycle traffic in those places. (Well, I haven't seen any for Sweden.)
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
05-28-14, 11:28 AM
Replies: 187
Views: 9,397
Posted By John Forester

The good Dutch intersection designs require more...

The good Dutch intersection designs require more area than we have available. Furthermore, they work only with the Dutch societal system, which cannot be imported.

America's very difficult...
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
05-27-14, 05:38 PM
Replies: 187
Views: 9,397
Posted By John Forester

CrankyOne is just one of those making...

CrankyOne is just one of those making unsubstantiated comments in this discussion. One foolish argument is that importing Dutch designs will solve the American problem. The designs can't be worked...
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
05-26-14, 04:34 PM
Replies: 187
Views: 9,397
Posted By John Forester

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Forum: Advocacy & Safety
05-25-14, 02:59 PM
Replies: 187
Views: 9,397
Posted By John Forester

Evidently you have not understood the argument of...

Evidently you have not understood the argument of the past forty years. The only people trying to deny you the facilities you want are those who think that society's resources can better be used...
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
05-25-14, 12:12 PM
Replies: 187
Views: 9,397
Posted By John Forester

kickstart's argument claims to have a scientific...

kickstart's argument claims to have a scientific way to evaluate the safety of cycling routes. That would be a great discovery. Well, kickstart, what is that method?
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
05-25-14, 09:47 AM
Replies: 187
Views: 9,397
Posted By John Forester

I understand Mr. Putnam's point that bicycling...

I understand Mr. Putnam's point that bicycling facilities ought to comply with safety standards. But the plain fact is that they don't. They comply with what the superstitious popular imagination...
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
05-24-14, 05:29 PM
Replies: 187
Views: 9,397
Posted By John Forester

Nobody has been discussing the problems that the...

Nobody has been discussing the problems that the path designers face, although there is a .pdf file on it. Westlake Ave runs along the east side of Lake Union, apparently with many businesses between...
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