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  1. What size bars? ...and what are you paying for...

    What size bars? ...and what are you paying for bars + 5800 lever set + 5800 derailleurs?
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    This summer is year 2. I need to get some serious...

    This summer is year 2. I need to get some serious miles in...
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    I hear ya. I'd like to upgrade my 5700 bike. But...

    I hear ya. I'd like to upgrade my 5700 bike. But it's a commuter/beater/rain bike...so kinda hard to justify. Also has decent wheels that are 10 speed only, which is holding me back. But maybe 4700?...
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    Yup, +1 to that from my experience. I have a 5700...

    Yup, +1 to that from my experience. I have a 5700 and a 5800 bike currently. Front shifting is the biggest difference, but it's all a little bit nicer (just don't try to convince cale or...
  5. The one that fits and feels best to you.

    The one that fits and feels best to you.
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    Started that way, yes. The 'front shifting' was...

    Started that way, yes. The 'front shifting' was referenced (as a system) here with the claim that 4600, 5800, and 6800 were a wash; which is what I've been responding to: ...
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    I see. So your experience is fact, while my...

    I see. So your experience is fact, while my experience is a placebo-influenced false claim.
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    What's your evidence that it isn't better? Since...

    What's your evidence that it isn't better? Since you are stating it as fact.

    At least I said this was my conclusion...and traced how I got there.
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    4600 is possibly better than 5700, I don't know....

    4600 is possibly better than 5700, I don't know. I don't feel like my 5700 bike shifts any better than my 5600/6600 bike did. The friction in Shimano's first 'under the tape' routing design is an...
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    I didn't claim that to be the 'evidence', sam --...

    I didn't claim that to be the 'evidence', sam -- and that wouldn't necessarily make the claim 'totally false' if you throw it out. I simply said here are a couple of quotes from reviews. I've read...
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    I think the differences are all pretty minimal...

    I think the differences are all pretty minimal besides the new front shifting (and maybe the cables). I have bikes with 5700, 5800, and recently owned bikes with 5510 and 5600/6600.
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    http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img849/1356/76rg.j...

    http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img849/1356/76rg.jpg
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    Agh, that Placebo got me again! Like I said,...

    Agh, that Placebo got me again!

    Like I said, I take reviews with a grain of salt. There are virtually all positive - so, yeah, you gotta start questioning.

    However, I'd have a hard time...
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    Here are a couple quotes from reviews of 5800....

    Here are a couple quotes from reviews of 5800. I'm not a 'latest and greatest' type of consumer (my car is an '01), and take most reviews with a grain of salt. But the front shifting of the Shimano...
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    Does your current cassette have an 11t? If not,...

    Does your current cassette have an 11t? If not, that's a pretty easy route to more top-end speed.
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    I'm not talking about 6700 - that would be very...

    I'm not talking about 6700 - that would be very similar to 4600. 5800/6800 would have more going on than just being 'newer' than 4600.
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    Congrats, that looks great! My wife's bike is a...

    Congrats, that looks great! My wife's bike is a Felt.


    Pink:
    http://www.bikeforums.net/road-cycling/1010445-i-rode-my-gf-s-bike-i-liked.html

    Notice the similarities in the thread title.
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    Between 4600 and 5800/6800...really? Some pretty...

    Between 4600 and 5800/6800...really? Some pretty big design changes there, most folks claim a significant difference in the newest 11 speed Shimano front shifting.
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    Maybe Ultegra stickers/skins for the cranks?

    Maybe Ultegra stickers/skins for the cranks?
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    +1. That'll easily be $100-150 in extra 'support'...

    +1. That'll easily be $100-150 in extra 'support' to the LBS.
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    I vote for neither. It was a 'maybe' at...

    I vote for neither. It was a 'maybe' at Ribble-type pricing, but not for what you'll pay at the LBS (even though I applaud your support).
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    True, but the $40 for cables is not nec. They are...

    True, but the $40 for cables is not nec. They are included in the $350 groupset. I don't see a stem mentioned in this thread yet.
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    The CAD3 is over priced (IMO). Maybe not too bad...

    The CAD3 is over priced (IMO). Maybe not too bad if they include some fitting services and post-purchase tunes-up (etc.)

    You did well on the Fuji.
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    ^ the slight difference in shift ratio is when...

    ^ the slight difference in shift ratio is when going from 10 speed to 11 speed (105/Ult/DA). The 5800 RD you put on is 11sp. The ratios within 10sp (5600/6600/7800 up to 5700/6700/7900) are the same....
  25. Google shopping or that one big auction site.

    Google shopping or that one big auction site.
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