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    Quick look, and they look incredibly similar. ...

    Quick look, and they look incredibly similar. The Surly stack and headtube are shorter, but they use a press in external headset. Once you factor that length in, you will be within a 10mm spacer of...
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    A person that I ride with also had a set of...

    A person that I ride with also had a set of wheels from that batch, and even as an individual (not a shop), received fast, problem free wheel replacement. In the group of roughly 20 folks that I...
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    Felt and Giant charge an arm and a leg for their...

    Felt and Giant charge an arm and a leg for their bare frames. If I was building from scratch, they are absolutely the last place I would look. If it were me, I would go to R&A Cycles closeout...
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    Where I see your point, I always start with frame...

    Where I see your point, I always start with frame first. With all of the different bottom bracket conventions available now, I wouldn't know what bottom bracket to get in a groupset without knowing...
  5. Don't know, WhyFi, but OP reported that he rode...

    Don't know, WhyFi, but OP reported that he rode MTB on the road, with slicks, and couldn't elevate his heart rate. That doesn't suggest out of the saddle riding to me, but more of a ride along,...
  6. Per your other thread, you have been riding your...

    Per your other thread, you have been riding your MTB on the road for 3 years. You should be used to riding by now, so that's not it. Presumably, you rode those three years without cycling shorts,...
  7. DaveWC, I didn't say CC was the cheapest. I said...

    DaveWC, I didn't say CC was the cheapest. I said if I want hassle free returns, I use them. I bought a complete bike from them, rode it for 35 days, and returned it. If I am unsure of shoe size, I...
  8. You folks must shop at a different Amazon than I...

    You folks must shop at a different Amazon than I have:

    1. Prime isn't free. You are paying annually for faster gratification.

    2. Any bike part that I have seen on Amazon I have been able to...
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    Did it squeal and wriggle, or just quietly sit...

    Did it squeal and wriggle, or just quietly sit still for it?
  10. Where red is commonly cited as the fastest, I...

    Where red is commonly cited as the fastest, I believe that this is an errant application of science. My orange bike is the fastest, and because it is fastest for me, science says it must be true for...
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    You are right. I said the wrong thing. I also...

    You are right. I said the wrong thing. I also remembered that they use one pin in each PLP. Sloppy sloppy on my part. Thanks! :thumb:
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    When Alias returns as a sock, will we recognize...

    When Alias returns as a sock, will we recognize him by any other name?
  13. First, they didn't. Second, I recall you being...

    First, they didn't.

    Second, I recall you being the one arguing with Robert about reach being irrelevant in comparing bike fits.

    Third, lowering bars that are above saddle height shortens the...
  14. "Reach" is a frame measurement, and is unaffected...

    "Reach" is a frame measurement, and is unaffected by bar placement. As to fit, it depends.
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    Can you make an angry face? I find an angry face...

    Can you make an angry face? I find an angry face helps exponentially.
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    You cut the chain so that you leave two female,...

    You cut the chain so that you leave two female, roller unit ends. The missing link is a Pin Link Plate with two grooved pressed pins, and a slotted opposing plate.
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    If you don't breath in, you won't drown on the...

    If you don't breath in, you won't drown on the bottom of a lake.
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    LAJ, when I was in college, the neighbor at my...

    LAJ, when I was in college, the neighbor at my rental house had a Nash Metropolitan set up with two gang mower decks behind to mow their back yard. It was a ball to watch. The car was actually in...
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    His comment about setting up a 1x drive train on...

    His comment about setting up a 1x drive train on a 2x crank resulting in horrible chain line keeps eating at me. That would imply that every road double has horrible chain line, being chain...
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    KMC all day, every day.

    KMC all day, every day.
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    If a friend asked me, I would tell him to place...

    If a friend asked me, I would tell him to place ergonomics over any other consideration. I would suggest he try Shimano, SRAM, and Campagnolo groupsets in the price range he wanted, and let his...
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    Don't tubulars also reduce or eliminate the...

    Don't tubulars also reduce or eliminate the possibility of a pinch flat? I don't know other people's experience, but I would guess a third of my flats are pinch flats. My former group was very bad...
  23. the saying is actually "For all insensitive...

    the saying is actually "For all insensitive porpoises". It has an aquatic root. #themoreyouknow
  24. It will allow you to run matching tire pressure...

    It will allow you to run matching tire pressure front and rear, which may improve comfort.
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    Where I want to keep the contrarian posts going,...

    Where I want to keep the contrarian posts going, I think denying the truth of it would be arguing with my own post. And I know that the BF rigorously excludes any posts with logical fallacies.
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