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    Well, another new thread! Goodness. You'll be...

    Well, another new thread! Goodness.

    You'll be pleased to hear that the issue of our mandatory helmet legislation has been getting quite a lot of media attention recently. This is in part due to...
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    It's very encouraging that this issue is starting...

    It's very encouraging that this issue is starting to bubble up into the mainstream press; I think it's in part because there is a cycling boom going on, and cycling generally has become quite...
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    Hello! It's been a while. A new research...

    Hello! It's been a while.



    A new research article was published this week that documents the rate of head injuries among cyclists in NSW, Australia from 1988 to 2008. MHL were introduced in...
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    Given that everyone seems to keen on anecdotes,...

    Given that everyone seems to keen on anecdotes, perhaps I could offer one.

    I live in Australia, a place where there are MHL. Riding without a lid can attract a $53 fine; last year the police...
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    I often wear a wide-brimmed hat when riding...

    I often wear a wide-brimmed hat when riding casually, for example popping to the shops. Something like this:
    http://www.akubra.com.au/products.html

    This is the skin-cancer capital of the world....
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    Whilst riding home and mulling further on this, I...

    Whilst riding home and mulling further on this, I realise that the last sentence of what I wrote above is incorrect; you cannot use MHL statistics to demonstrate risk compensation that specifically...
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    Hello. Sorry I'm not around much, I'm very busy....

    Hello. Sorry I'm not around much, I'm very busy.

    Here's some interesting stuff on risk compensation:
    http://psyc.queensu.ca/target/chapter07.html

    Another interesting part of the same book is...
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdoE2YCvwdM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdoE2YCvwdM
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    Oh dear. It's all getting a bit acrimonious. I...

    Oh dear. It's all getting a bit acrimonious.

    I will answer your question, Brian, but perhaps not for a day or so as I am busy at work right now.

    In the meanwhile, everyone remember that if we...
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    Actually. I see the technical discussion being...

    Actually. I see the technical discussion being driven by you and John (are you related, BTW? Just curious!). Personally, I don't engage in those discussion often, as I don't have the time nor the...
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    A-ha. I thought this was what you meant. In order...

    A-ha. I thought this was what you meant. In order to answer this question, you do need to consider the wider issues, not just the engineering ones.

    I just wanted to check; it as possible you meant...
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    OK, possibly a misunderstanding on my part....

    OK, possibly a misunderstanding on my part. However, I didn't really have philosophy or religion in mind when I talked about it being multi-faceted. It's more about psychology, actually.

    Perhaps...
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    At best, common sense gives a starting...

    At best, common sense gives a starting hypothesis. It is the necessary to demonstrate that the hypothesis is true. There is a real danger in your words around 'informed common sense'; it sounds as...
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    I take great exception to the implication that...

    I take great exception to the implication that 'scepticism' is a bad thing, and that it in some way equates to 'being a true believer'.(1)

    In fact, proper scepticism is the antithesis of 'true...
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    I had to chuckle at this, given that one of the...

    I had to chuckle at this, given that one of the most often-quoted researchers on the pro-helmet side was a helmet advocate prior to starting his research, and receives funding from the helmet...
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    Thanks, ILTB! Exactly. Helmets are really...

    Thanks, ILTB!



    Exactly. Helmets are really a side issue; if we want to see significant step-change in terms of cycling acceptance and safety we need to develop a significantly less auto-centric...
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    We seem to be back into a rather futile anecdote...

    We seem to be back into a rather futile anecdote exercise, with some slightly antagonistic argument thrown in for good measure. Oh well.

    One thing I do have to take issue with in your post, John,...
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    Hello John!...

    Hello John!
    http://tromboneforum.org/Smileys/otjf/hi.gif

    I'm constantly amazed at the low quality of research published into bike helmets. I'm also somewhat puzzled that you choose to cite so...
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    Here my two anecdotes. For background, helmet...

    Here my two anecdotes.
    For background, helmet use is compulsory in Australia, so when I moved here several years ago i started wearing one; at that point it didn't really occur to me that it was a...
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    Your summary of that statement (that no life has...

    Your summary of that statement (that no life has been saved by a helmet) is not accurate. The statement does not say that no life has been saved. It says that there has been no net saving.

    Do you...
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    Especially when coupled with a sedentary...

    Especially when coupled with a sedentary lifestyle, it also raises the likelihood of a massive stroke, which 'csn cause you to drool and studder for the rest of your life' [sic]
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    Reducing cycling crashes? Somehow removing the...

    Reducing cycling crashes? Somehow removing the barriers to helmet use will reduce the number of crashes?

    Helmets don't prevent crashes. It does seems as if some on the 'anti-choice' side of the...
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    Thanks for the clarification John. Yes, I was...

    Thanks for the clarification John. Yes, I was aware of that - the paper clearly takes as it's starting point that helmets save lives to the extent supported by the 'hospital admission' studies, and...
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    Thanks for the info, John. I haven't read the...

    Thanks for the info, John. I haven't read the paper, but I'm sure the stuff about how to promote helmets, and barriers to their uptake, is interesting.

    This aspect of the paper, though, is only...
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    Indeed; that helmets can offer useful protection...

    Indeed; that helmets can offer useful protection in some circumstances should be acknowledged.

    By the same token, it should also be acknowledged that in other circumstances they can lead to a...
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