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  1. I don't really see how we're going to get ready...

    I don't really see how we're going to get ready if we don't start implementing them. The more of them people see, the more likely they are to become accustomed to the basics rules and rhythm.
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    It drives me nuts that people don't seem to grasp...

    It drives me nuts that people don't seem to grasp that laws are intended to create optimal end outcomes; the laws in and of themselves aren't a sacred code to never be breached. Ticketing people for...
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    This is generally consistent with what I've...

    This is generally consistent with what I've observed as well. At stop signs with flowing cross traffic, that seems dangerous, but at all-way stops, I don't really see much harm in people slowing to...
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    Well, no, I don't think you'll find too many...

    Well, no, I don't think you'll find too many people arguing that it's wrong to stop, merely that it's discretionary. If someone's best discretion leads them to settling on a full stop at every Stop...
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    OK, great, let's say that's true for a moment....

    OK, great, let's say that's true for a moment. Why is it incorrect?
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    Well, if you can't muster any kind of genuine...

    Well, if you can't muster any kind of genuine argument, you can always just go with insults, that's a sure way to "win" any discussion.



    This is nonsensical; no one reasonably adjudges drivers...
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    Yes, I'd like both the same rights as a car and...

    Yes, I'd like both the same rights as a car and the same general leeway and discretion that's granted to cars under many circumstances. There are numerous actions that are technically illegal, but...
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    Blithe dismissals absent any real reply don't...

    Blithe dismissals absent any real reply don't really matter.



    No, I don't wonder about this at all. I've ridden both and am thus intimately familiar with why.



    Who, exactly, is going to...
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    Can you find me someone saying that? As near as I...

    Can you find me someone saying that? As near as I can tell, the sentiment is (usually), "I don't think it's crucial that people strictly adhere to all laws, and this is one that I choose not to...
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    No, it would generally not be reasonable for...

    No, it would generally not be reasonable for motor vehicles to operate using the same principle at intersections. The primarily reason for this is potential and likely damage to others being...
  11. Reading through some of the comments: ...

    Reading through some of the comments:






    I am not at all trying to make this political, I have no interest in taking a shot at some end of the spectrum, I'm just absolutely amazed at the...
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    I think you'd have a tough time finding someone...

    I think you'd have a tough time finding someone that said, "I'm on a bike and saving the environment, so I don't have to obey the law". It's more along the lines of "this law is poorly crafted,...
  13. This certainly matches my own experience, but I'm...

    This certainly matches my own experience, but I'm wary of confirmation bias. I've been buzzed by people in all manner of vehicles, it just seems like it's most common from the wealthier crowd. The...
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    The impression I take from this is that you're...

    The impression I take from this is that you're really, really bad at riding a bike. If that's the case, your approach of getting off the road and walking at intersections is probably the safest...
  15. This seems like an odd perspective. Differences...

    This seems like an odd perspective. Differences between bikes being subjective is a reason to not want to test ride them? I don't get it.
  16. At the time I bought my mid-priced bike, I would...

    At the time I bought my mid-priced bike, I would have been exactly who you seem to be referring to in that post. I didn't know much of anything, had only been riding any bikes for about a month, and...
  17. To each their own, but if a dealer is going to...

    To each their own, but if a dealer is going to treat me wanting to a $2K bike like I'm a 16 year old kid wanting to drive a Porsche, I'm going to find a different dealer.
  18. Fair enough, but you realize that your...

    Fair enough, but you realize that your willingness to commit thousands of dollars without trying something is far more unusual than people want to test ride/drive things, right?
  19. This is only rational if a seller has a very high...

    This is only rational if a seller has a very high level of certainty about who will be a buyer. I purchased my first road bike (and it's not a cheapie) with very little knowledge about cycling other...
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    Wait, are you suggesting that I ride across the...

    Wait, are you suggesting that I ride across the road, unclip, pull to the side, dismount, and then wait for the light to turn before walking across the road? I don't really know what to make of that...
  21. When I first became interested in buying a more...

    When I first became interested in buying a more "serious" bike was right after I had ridden in a duathlon on a hybrid. I wound up buying a road bike because I thought it suited my all around needs...
  22. My general thought would be that if I'm too much...

    My general thought would be that if I'm too much of a random, unprepared goofball to test ride one of their bikes, I'm clearly too much of a random, unprepared goofball to buy one.
  23. It's hard for me to tease out my own bias; I'd...

    It's hard for me to tease out my own bias; I'd prefer streets that were designed to encourage walking and cycling and discourage driving. I know that's not a position supported by very many people...
  24. Thread: Dogs

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    While I don't personally own a gun, I will...

    While I don't personally own a ***, I will appreciate it if other people kill bike chasing dogs, as that's one less dog that'll be likely to chase me.
  25. Daily Mail is always questionable. The caption...

    Daily Mail is always questionable. The caption provides a clue as to what's likely the law:



    I think that should be the default assumption. Start with the presumption that the individual who...
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