What this LA LAW "dude" would have done is taken the bike back. I would not, however, have been the one to introduce physical violence into the scene. If the other guy did, I'd deal with it quickly, but if he doesn't, I wont either.
What this LA LAW "dude" would have done is taken the bike back. I would not, however, have been the one to introduce physical violence into the scene. If the other guy did, I'd deal with it quickly, but if he doesn't, I wont either.
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so you'd just take the bike back when you found it.... then ride away like you've just misplaced your own bike?
reading all those law stuff you typed... i wouldn't be surprised if you called the cops etc. etc. etc. that thief would've continued his act of stealing bikes, not that it's your problem... since he didn't steal your bike
i simply can't go along like nothing happen... and i certainly don't want this to happen to someone else... i know violence is wrong... but what else can i do? be honest and tell me that the cops won't take him in etc....
Yes, I personally would have called the cops, but that is all I would have done. I, for one, have no intention of taking my "revenge" on someone just to potentially end up with an assault charge hanging over me. Yes, it's wrong to steal, but it's also wrong to thump people, too.Originally posted by ShadowVlican
i simply can't go along like nothing happen... and i certainly don't want this to happen to someone else... i know violence is wrong... but what else can i do? be honest and tell me that the cops won't take him in etc....
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LA LAW, you are getting to worked up. You are forgetting the this did not happen in your country. Isn't that typical behaviour of you guys. It happened in Canada so you can stop with your analysis of what would happen.
The fact is someone stole something from me and believe me they got off easy. If you are going to do something on the "street" level then you best be ready to deal with a reaction that may be on the "street" level as well. None of this "boo hoo someone took my bike what can I do". To hell with that, I am going to handle things. DON'T STEAL FROM ME!!!!
I'm not interested in that social conduct crap and the good of the world bull$___. I'm only hear for the good of me and the people I care about, not Joe stranger who decides to take from me and mine. LA LAW, I doubt you would deal with it quickly. Oh yeah, stop referring to this situation like it was in your country(like that country is chock-full-o-good-people).
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TotalKos, you don't seem to tale responsibility for your actions. I have a feeling this goes deeper than just a bike theft.
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To think that the law would actually do anything to the thief is overly optimistic... yeah "taking the law into your own hands" is technically wrong, but the fact is, if the law isn't going to help you then you have to help yourself. I don't really care what the legal ramifications were, a blow to the head would with a seatpost would have to be extremely severe to kill someone. To knock someone to the ground is not a huge feat, I could do it to most people with a single blow to the abdomen (punching, not with weapons). You're all assuming a worst-case scenario, when the reality (yeah that's right, back in the real world) is that the thief got what he deserved. Had he been incredibly unlucky as well as stupid, selfish, immoral, etc, he might have died from the blow, but he brought it on himself.
Good on ya TotalKos.
Originally posted by TotalKos
Oh yeah, stop referring to this situation like it was in your country
There was me thinking the US and Canada were BOTH civilised westerm societies....
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Originally posted by Socket
To think that the law would actually do anything to the thief is overly optimistic... yeah "taking the law into your own hands" is technically wrong, but the fact is, if the law isn't going to help you then you have to help yourself. I don't really care what the legal ramifications were, a blow to the head would with a seatpost would have to be extremely severe to kill someone. To knock someone to the ground is not a huge feat, I could do it to most people with a single blow to the abdomen (punching, not with weapons). You're all assuming a worst-case scenario, when the reality (yeah that's right, back in the real world) is that the thief got what he deserved. Had he been incredibly unlucky as well as stupid, selfish, immoral, etc, he might have died from the blow, but he brought it on himself.
Good on ya TotalKos.
A brave first post.... hhmmmmmm......
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Yeah right. The U.S isn't even a civilized society. About this going deeper maybe it does. I've had bikes stolen before, as well as other items and I was never able to do anything about it. So maybe this was a make-up for all those times. As far as if it's right or wrong, I don't care. I know that when the situation was over I felt hella-just and everybody that I've talked to agree'd with me. This is not a fairytale, it's real life. If you're going to do something "street" you are going dealt with "street" manner.
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Totalkos
I read again your original post.
You said that you found your bike. Nobody was preventing you from taking your bike and leaving. Yet you decided to find the person who took it. So what. Take your bike and go. Leave the situation alone.
I have to say this, aside from the rights and wrongs of what happened, that was a stupid decision on your part to go find the thief and confront him. You placed yourself in a dangerous situation. You didn't know who that person was and if he might have had others with him. You could have caused further injury towards yourself or worse a debalitating injury or death if the thief fought back or worse used a weapon.
Anyways, I just don't feel right about celebrating any type of violence, even justified in self-defense.
A friend of mine had a similar experience one evening several weeks ago. He was flying a model airplane is a city park just after dark. (The plane had lights on it). He was approached by four teenage kids who asked to see his airplane. He held it up so they could see but it was clear that wasn't what they wanted. One of them demanded that he give him the F&*!!#$ plane and stepped forward to take it. Unfortunately for him, he didn't notice that my friend was holding a Mag-lite flashlight (4 D-cell) in his other hand. He clubbed him in the head dropping him like a sack of potatoes, and brought it up under the chin of one of the other "children" slamming his jaw and putting him down also. The other two ran away. He ran down one of them and gave him a good tongue lashing and then returned to pick up his belongings. The first guy was just getting up off the ground so he clubbed him again and put him back down.
After getting home he contacted the police and told them the whole story just in case any of the four decided to try and file a complaint against him. The police told him not to worry about it.
He's gone back to the same park to fly a couple of times since then, with no problems.
My judgment is impeccable, I married my wife. Her judgement, on the other hand, is highly suspect. . .
agreed. this is what those damn kids deserve. the police won't go searching for some kids toys... so you gotta deal with it yourself... trust me... it's not worth the police's time...Originally posted by LET
A friend of mine had a similar experience one evening several weeks ago. He was flying a model airplane is a city park just after dark. (The plane had lights on it). He was approached by four teenage kids who asked to see his airplane. He held it up so they could see but it was clear that wasn't what they wanted. One of them demanded that he give him the F&*!!#$ plane and stepped forward to take it. Unfortunately for him, he didn't notice that my friend was holding a Mag-lite flashlight (4 D-cell) in his other hand. He clubbed him in the head dropping him like a sack of potatoes, and brought it up under the chin of one of the other "children" slamming his jaw and putting him down also. The other two ran away. He ran down one of them and gave him a good tongue lashing and then returned to pick up his belongings. The first guy was just getting up off the ground so he clubbed him again and put him back down.
After getting home he contacted the police and told them the whole story just in case any of the four decided to try and file a complaint against him. The police told him not to worry about it.
He's gone back to the same park to fly a couple of times since then, with no problems.
the cops won't even come to my neighborhood when you call them.
that means that the thugs get away with what ever they want if you let them.
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Hey TotalKos, I'm glad you've stood up for yourself for doing the right thing.
Those people who have condemned you and your actions in this situation, are projecting their own fears onto the scenario you described, and are filling in a lot of blanks with their own experiences - not yours. For them to call the cops would probably be the best decision for them, in your situation, as they saw it.
For the reality that you dealt with, you used your own good judgment and no one needs to complain about it.
Ride on...
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Originally posted by greg360
Those people who have condemned you and your actions in this situation, are projecting their own fears onto the scenario you described, and are filling in a lot of blanks with their own experiences - not yours.
Paging Dr. Greg.... No, we're not "projecting our own fears". Nice try at the pseudo-scientific mental health bit though. though.
I personally am saying that hitting someone with a seatpost on the head so hard they go down is a severe assault and he could have died. Not worth the chance.
For them to call the cops would probably be the best decision for them, in your situation, as they saw it.
For the reality that you dealt with, you used your own good judgment and no one needs to complain about it.
Ride on...
Perhaps next time the cyclist will actually KILL the person "by accident" (they'll love that in court - I didn't mean to kill him when I hit him with a metal pole on the head.) and be jailed for many years?
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The best perspective I've heard yet on this thread
And another good oneI'm saddened that this attitude and the politically correct attitude that has overtaken this country have come to the point that the laws are there to protect the guilty and attack the victim. The American justice system is lacking in so many ways that the law is on the criminals side in many cases. Attacking the victim is considered good strategy by all defense attorneys and is practiced daily in courts across the land.
And then there's this one. Sigh.You're all assuming a worst-case scenario, when the reality (yeah that's right, back in the real world) is that the thief got what he deserved. Had he been incredibly unlucky as well as stupid, selfish, immoral, etc, he might have died from the blow, but he brought it on himself.
Funny how a person can say that yet include terms like 'could have' and 'perhaps next time' on the very same post...No, we're not "projecting our own fears". Nice try at the pseudo-scientific mental health bit though. though.
"We want to make good time, but for us now this is measured with emphasis on 'good' rather than 'time' and when you make that shift in emphasis the whole approach changes."
Robert Pirsig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance
Originally posted by greg360
The best perspective I've heard yet on this thread
And another good one
And then there's this one. Sigh.
Funny how a person can say that yet include terms like 'could have' and 'perhaps next time' on the very same post...
"Could have", as in could have *killed* him. "Perhaps next time" as in next time he may end up being a *killer*.
Not big, not clever.
Oh, you disagree? Your prerogative I suppose.
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kick his ass, sea bass!
wow, seven pages.....
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I know this thread has been dead awhile, but somebody (probably more than 1) stole my bikes last nightI woke up to the sound of them knocking over a coke can on the patio but I didn't hear anything else. By the time I got the nerve to get up and check I didn't see or hear anything else. My husband and I filed a report, but there really isn't much anyone can do. We went to every bike shop around the area to let them know though.
I'm glad that there are people out there who are able to get their bikes back with revenge to boot. I'm still pissed that my bikes are gone. We have an idea who might have stole them too. Some guy had knocked on our door earlier in the day. He looked shocked when my husband answered the door since he was sick and stayed home today. The guy had a bike with him and goes "Oops, I think I have the wrong apartment".
always lock it up whenever you can...In front of a window if possible in full view of everyone
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