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    Quote Originally Posted by carpediemracing View Post
    Extremely tricky rider, he's definitely a marked rider when he's out there. His son probably knows every trick in the book.
    and so does the rest of the KMS team, since Vollers is the coach. they race well and they're strong. they've won several A and B ECCC races this season.

    Quote Originally Posted by allawayr View Post
    And his son takes french baguettes as his feed.

    No, I'm not kidding - saw it happen 2 weeks ago (pretty impressive to see him eat a baguette and ride actually).
    haha, yeah, that was pretty funny. i looked around after the feed zone and saw baguettes sticking out of their pockets. someone actually asked one of them for a piece and the kid let him have one, so props to him for being nice, too.

    edit: also, RX, that's pretty impressive after 6 weeks...nice job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by climber7 View Post
    haha, yeah, that was pretty funny. i looked around after the feed zone and saw baguettes sticking out of their pockets. someone actually asked one of them for a piece and the kid let him have one, so props to him for being nice, too.
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    Very true. He offered me a piece too...but I don't think there is any way I could eat a baguette mid race...too much cotton mouth!

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    Welcome back, RacerEx.

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    Nice to see you back ex. Nice result.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Racer Ex View Post
    Drove out to Texas for a stage race this weekend. Long way to go for me, both figuratively and literally, but it was on the plan prior to my crash and I wanted to get a chance to visit with my friends. 3 separate fires in the area combined with the alititude (5-6700') made it feel like I was breathing through a bent straw. Combined 40/50/60 field so the dynamics got interesting but the 50+ guys were well represented at the front of the race.

    Saturday: 3rd in the hill climb...last year I won it by 1:30 and wasn't even going full out. Coughed for the next 2 hours. In the afternoon RR the heat showed up to go along with the smoke. 95 at the start. Field split on the first big climb. I hung with the chase group, we eventually caught all but one of the break and spit them out the back. 15 miles to go I started to cramp, and lost the group. Then I ran out of water. Worked with stragglers and another OTB teammate to keep the gap down to 2 minutes. Really ugly though, I was cramping so badly I couldn't get off the bike for 10 minutes.

    Dropped down to 4th on GC as a result, I was 8s out of 3rd and 30 out of 2nd; had plans hatched to maybe get on the podium or the top step on Sunday but, for the second year in a row one of the fires got out of hand and they cancelled the race. Not as dramatic as last year where we had a wall of flames licking at our heals. Loaded up Sunday morning and drove 14 hours home. Legs still hurt.

    EDR did a fine ride for 7th, which were both his HC and RR finishes.
    Congrats on piecing that finish together after your brief recovery. Impressive. I'm glad you got to hook up with the team again, as you're missed out here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waterrockets View Post
    Congrats on piecing that finish together after your brief recovery. Impressive. I'm glad you got to hook up with the team again, as you're missed out here.
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    Crit #3, the same local training crit again. ( I know, this is tldr, writing about it helps me focus my thoughts and learn)

    Lap 1-3 were pretty easy effort, there were about 12-15 of us and we stayed together, I worked on staying out of the wind and moving up when I found myself filtering to the back. Lap 4 I attacked, just to see what that was like, it was hard and I couldn't get a real gap so I backed off and got back in the pack, with a little effort, no one wanted to be in front, duh. For a minute I was afraid that it had been a mistake to do that so early, but it turned out OK. I then covered a bunch of other attacks, spent a LOT of time 2nd-5th wheel. This part was super fun, and I felt strong and like I could move up whenever I wanted to. Yay!

    Lap 6 or 7 the men's field came through, and we all jumped in with them (this is allowed). I exited the back of the mens pack after a lap, I was just too scared and it was too hard, and I braked going into a corner and someone yelped behind me, oops sorry dude, I know it was a mistake but I messed up anyway, too scared not to brake. I think I was the first woman to exit, not sure how many never latched on to the men. A bunch of the other women eventually trickled out the back of the men's pack, one by one, much later. I didn't know how many were ahead and how many behind me.

    After I fell off, I was alone for a little while, then as I passed a girl K who had been in the men's pack, she asked me if I wanted to work together, and I said yes - good thing she asked, I was getting ready to just kill myself in the wind like a moron. We picked up B and someone else, shortly after that. I strategized carefully this time, and conserved - took easier pulls, made sure someone else was pulling into the windy stretch (it was windy this time), and basically acted as if pulling into the wind was too hard for me (sneaky!). ALl the while our little pack was passing other chicks getting spit out the back of the mens' field, or possibly lapped riders. At 2 to go the men passed us again (no women in with them) and our little 4-some broke up chasing the guys. I picked up K again, then she pulled me up to B who was drafting a male team mate. We let him pull us for a while until he cracked, then it was back to the 3 of us working together with some other chick in red who we picked up as she fell out of the men's pack.

    At 4 to go I had a strategy worked out and started to execute - be at the back at the last corner, which was turning out of the headwind. I had noticed earlier there was a great slingshot from the back there, coming out of the wind. Bell lap, I made sure I was in back going into that last corner, then jumped hard after the corner and hammered to the end, looked back, and the other 3 were nowhere to be seen!

    So at the end I had no idea that there were only 3 women left ahead of me who had been in the men's pack. So it turned out I had sprinted for 4th!


    So my big takeaway is I really really have to learn how to ride in the big fast pack. Same as last week.
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    How do you know that there were 3 women ahead of you? Results sheet or verbal confirmation?

    Another, and perhaps easier, practice might be to identify the wheels in your field that can stay with the fast field, and then stick on those wheels. Clearly you stuck with everyone in your race prior to the two fields overlapping each other.
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    De Vlees Huis Ronde Road Race, Category 4:
    This is a tough race, 60 miles, 2 down/uphill turnarounds per lap, a Bee farm on the course, and cow-filtered, near body temperature Bakersfield air. And I got food poisoning before the race. Immediately before-on the drive from the hotel to the course. I only went into stage one (body chills) and suppressed any move to 2 or 3 (mouth watering, and vomiting, respectively). I started after a short, completely unnecessary warmup, and found out that the start is parallel to the road, and the small group I saw ahead of me was actually 90 or so guys.

    The only thing I knew before the race started was to not be at the back. A shaky start, a small, uphill crash; some chasing ensues, then more, and finally more. I was used to sprinting out of corners in crits, and even in San Luis Rey, but this was too much. I gave up, threw up, and realized I was maybe 20 miles in (to a 60 miles race). I worked with some people, lots of people didn't work. They won the "sprint finish" at the end of lap one. They were the smart ones. With the "water" bottle I got from the feed zone, I cooled myself off, then finished the rest of the Cytomax inside of it. I was shortly thereafter stung by a bee. Which had never hurt so much before.

    I kept going, ran into the lady who posted a youtube video review of a previous year's race. Agreed that it was a terrible event. She went out the back of our group, then caught and passed us. The three of us looked at each other, and without speaking, agreed to never speak of such a thing. I figured nothing too bad had happened in the last 15 minutes, so I opened my Strawberry Banana powerade Gu I had been looking forward since trying them at the BWR a few weeks ago. They taste better cold. Or at the very least, when not baked by the sun and my body for over an hour. My body skipped straight to stage 3 again, and then I got chills. I figured this signaled heat exhaustion or some other, unsavory, condition so I put my tail between my legs and headed home to my first DNF. I would have cried if I had any spare water left. I could have used the salt, too.
    I'll be back in June for State Champs.

    Devil's Punchbowl, Cat 4:
    A mostly downhill, easy race to rebound with I figured. Especially since I "tapered" by going to the doctors and feeling nauseous for most of the week. I felt better when I woke up at 4 on Saturday to drive to the race (Google estimated the trip time at 3:51). I got there at 7:30. Too much time to warmup, not enough to sleep. I made sure my number was nice and pointing in the right direction.

    I found a teammate, and start warming up with him, doing some of the course in reverse (the portion added to the UCLA RR). Legs felt good, my stomach and I are on the same page, I was actually excited to be this close to Palmdale!

    Race start, parallel again. I've never seen this before, then two weeks in a row, but I was prepared this time. The pace starts at a Sunday recovery tempo, then crescendos to "Holy Christmas! We've got three laps guys" and accordingly, someone again falls going uphill (behind me thankfully) because it's much easier to quit a race after being in a crash. I crest the series of stair-steps round 15th, but can't breathe and drift out the back of the group on the way down. I stay in touch and often have to brake for those in front of me. As we begin the long, false-flat to start another lap, I look back at my tire and brakes, hoping that something is wrong, that something explains why I can't sit in this group. Nothing wrong with the bike. I see a teammate backing out, gasping like a goldfish, and he tells me he donated blood on Thursday. I inform him that he missed a crucial part in his blood-doping regimen. He falls off, and then still finishes 2 laps.

    I also get dropped, but no excuses come to aid me, real or imagined. I consider pulling out, succumbing to yet another race, and driving it all home and contemplate taking a break from racing (quitting).

    I see the pack ahead of me, those at the start/finish line-those I know, those I don't, and I decide I'm not going to get any better by quitting. Anger replaced whatever emotional funk I was experiencing, and I found a groove and just kept pedaling. I passed a few guys, got passed by some others (not in my category) and caught onto (and was caught) by a small contingent of other 4 riders. I see a racer I met in Bakersfield who I worked with before my semi-death. He and I do a lot of work, a few others chip in, but then got spat out, and with 3-4 miles to go, it's just the two of us. I was feeling terrible, but knew that this suffering, even if not at the front of the race, would be rewarding somewhere, sometime, so I hung with him. Eventually, at the sharp downhill turn to the finishing straight (about 1 mile long) I get gapped, and he seemingly takes off. I catch a few women's riders, chat briefly, cheer them on if at all possible (they still have a lap to go, and are on their own)-one even tells me to do a cooldown lap with her. Different parts of my body wanted me to do different things, but my legs and lungs ultimately convinced me this wasn't to happen. I crossed the finish line, 8 or 10 minutes down on the leaders, and never had I been so happy to have finished a race (I even sprinted the end just to flog myself for being such a wimp earlier, not that a speedometer would have labeled it anything other than "Oh, so you have a road bike?")

    I ate every single one of the oatmeal cookies that my family had left in the car on my way back home. Where I then worked in the yard for three hours.


    Swami's Club RR, RSF course, Group B:
    Following a very depressing two races, I went to bed motivated to push myself the following morning in the club's first Spring Series race. When I woke up, my bed was silently, warmly stealing any desire to head outside into fog, sweat or pain. I realized the predicament I was in immediately, having experienced it during college often for 8am classes, so I only pressed snooze once. Maybe twice. I then got in my car, and multi-tasked all the way to the starting part to make up for lost time.

    Once I got on my bike and started moving, I felt fantastic. Maybe it was the slow pace we were going, as we were kind of lost, but we found our way through rolling Rancho Santa Fe hills. I had opted for the B group, as it was labeled "career" 3/4 racers. A was pro/1/2 and fast 3s, and C was "has bike, will ride." Lots of people were labeled sandbaggers, but I stayed where I was. At this point, my psyche was weak, and I needed my ego stroked. And I had already decided on being a B far before failing the last two races.

    In the end, I attacked early and often (6, 4 mile laps) until a break was finally established. I eventually finished 2nd, by about 8", but I had a blast and finally felt competent and capable on the bike again. Let's hope this feeling carries over for a little while.

    Sorry for the long post, but I had to get that out.
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    As I imagine Botto would say, we are here to listen and provide comfort.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sommando View Post
    Very late additions:

    De Vlees Huis Ronde Road Race, Category 4:
    This is a tough race, 60 miles, 2 down/uphill turnarounds per lap, a Bee farm on the course, and cow-filtered, near body temperature Bakersfield air. And I got food poisoning before the race. Immediately before-on the drive from the hotel to the course. I only went into stage one (body chills) and suppressed any move to 2 or 3 (mouth watering, and vomiting, respectively). I started after a short, completely unnecessary warmup, and found out that the start is parallel to the road, and the small group I saw ahead of me was actually 90 or so guys.

    The only thing I knew before the race started was to not be at the back. A shaky start, a small, uphill crash; some chasing ensues, then more, and finally more. I was used to sprinting out of corners in crits, and even in San Luis Rey, but this was too much. I gave up, threw up, and realized I was maybe 20 miles in (to a 60 miles race). I worked with some people, lots of people didn't work. They won the "sprint finish" at the end of lap one. They were the smart ones. With the "water" bottle I got from the feed zone, I cooled myself off, then finished the rest of the Cytomax inside of it. I was shortly thereafter stung by a bee. Which had never hurt so much before.

    I kept going, ran into the lady who posted a youtube video review of a previous year's race. Agreed that it was a terrible event. She went out the back of our group, then caught and passed us. The three of us looked at each other, and without speaking, agreed to never speak of such a thing. I figured nothing too bad had happened in the last 15 minutes, so I opened my Strawberry Banana powerade Gu I had been looking forward since trying them at the BWR a few weeks ago. They taste better cold. Or at the very least, when not baked by the sun and my body for over an hour. My body skipped straight to stage 3 again, and then I got chills. I figured this signaled heat exhaustion or some other, unsavory, condition so I put my tail between my legs and headed home to my first DNF. I would have cried if I had any spare water left. I could have used the salt, too.
    I'll be back in June for State Champs.

    Devil's Punchbowl, Cat 4:
    A mostly downhill, easy race to rebound with I figured. Especially since I "tapered" by going to the doctors and feeling nauseous for most of the week. I felt better when I woke up at 4 on Saturday to drive to the race (Google estimated the trip time at 3:51). I got there at 7:30. Too much time to warmup, not enough to sleep. I made sure my number was nice and pointing in the right direction.

    I found a teammate, and start warming up with him, doing some of the course in reverse (the portion added to the UCLA RR). Legs felt good, my stomach and I are on the same page, I was actually excited to be this close to Palmdale!

    Race start, parallel again. I've never seen this before, then two weeks in a row, but I was prepared this time. The pace starts at a Sunday recovery tempo, then crescendos to "Holy Christmas! We've got three laps guys" and accordingly, someone again falls going uphill (behind me thankfully) because it's much easier to quit a race after being in a crash. I crest the series of stair-steps round 15th, but can't breathe and drift out the back of the group on the way down. I stay in touch and often have to brake for those in front of me. As we begin the long, false-flat to start another lap, I look back at my tire and brakes, hoping that something is wrong, that something explains why I can't sit in this group. Nothing wrong with the bike. I see a teammate backing out, gasping like a goldfish, and he tells me he donated blood on Thursday. I inform him that he missed a crucial part in his blood-doping regimen. He falls off, and then still finishes 2 laps.

    I also get dropped, but no excuses come to aid me, real or imagined. I consider pulling out, succumbing to yet another race, and driving it all home and contemplate taking a break from racing (quitting).

    I see the pack ahead of me, those at the start/finish line-those I know, those I don't, and I decide I'm not going to get any better by quitting. Anger replaced whatever emotional funk I was experiencing, and I found a groove and just kept pedaling. I passed a few guys, got passed by some others (not in my category) and caught onto (and was caught) by a small contingent of other 4 riders. I see a racer I met in Bakersfield who I worked with before my semi-death. He and I do a lot of work, a few others chip in, but then got spat out, and with 3-4 miles to go, it's just the two of us. I was feeling terrible, but knew that this suffering, even if not at the front of the race, would be rewarding somewhere, sometime, so I hung with him. Eventually, at the sharp downhill turn to the finishing straight (about 1 mile long) I get gapped, and he seemingly takes off. I catch a few women's riders, chat briefly, cheer them on if at all possible (they still have a lap to go, and are on their own)-one even tells me to do a cooldown lap with her. Different parts of my body wanted me to do different things, but my legs and lungs ultimately convinced me this wasn't to happen. I crossed the finish line, 8 or 10 minutes down on the leaders, and never had I been so happy to have finished a race (I even sprinted the end just to flog myself for being such a wimp earlier, not that a speedometer would have labeled it anything other than "Oh, so you have a road bike?")

    I ate every single one of the oatmeal cookies that my family had left in the car on my way back home. Where I then worked in the yard for three hours.


    Swami's Club RR, RSF course, Group B:
    Following a very depressing two races, I went to bed motivated to push myself the following morning in the club's first Spring Series race. When I woke up, my bed was silently, warmly stealing any desire to head outside into fog, sweat or pain. I realized the predicament I was in immediately, having experienced it during college often for 8am classes, so I only pressed snooze once. Maybe twice. I then got in my car, and multi-tasked all the way to the starting part to make up for lost time.

    Once I got on my bike and started moving, I felt fantastic. Maybe it was the slow pace we were going, as we were kind of lost, but we found our way through rolling Rancho Santa Fe hills. I had opted for the B group, as it was labeled "career" 3/4 racers. A was pro/1/2 and fast 3s, and C was "has bike, will ride." Lots of people were labeled sandbaggers, but I stayed where I was. At this point, my psyche was weak, and I needed my ego stroked. And I had already decided on being a B far before failing the last two races.

    In the end, I attacked early and often (6, 4 mile laps) until a break was finally established. I eventually finished 2nd, by about 8", but I had a blast and finally felt competent and capable on the bike again. Let's hope this feeling carries over for a little while.

    Sorry for the long post, but I had to get that out.
    Training low-tech/old-school style with my srm in "Siberia" (like Rocky IV) in preparation for the 2012 racing season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bostongarden View Post
    How do you know that there were 3 women ahead of you? Results sheet or verbal confirmation?

    Another, and perhaps easier, practice might be to identify the wheels in your field that can stay with the fast field, and then stick on those wheels. Clearly you stuck with everyone in your race prior to the two fields overlapping each other.
    Both.
    THat's an interesting idea. I really think the problem is mental - willingness to corner in a pack at speed. Once I was in the pack I wasn't working too hard, I was just terrified. It didn't help that I came into the corner on the inside and saw the whole pack sweep to the curb in front of me, leaving me apparently no where to go. What do you do in that situation? Just go and hope for the best?
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    Valygrl, nice work! Sounds like you're doing great so far.

    Are there any other men's races you can do regularly? There's a weekly series here that I do and it helps tremendously with aggressiveness and pack skills--around here there aren't a lot of women's races that have 70+ riders and move at 25+mph, so racing with the boys forces you to develop a different level of skills that you don't necessarily get from racing in a smaller group with others who are closer to your own level of fitness. It sounds like if you can figure out how to hang onto that pack you'll be pretty much assured a good finish in the women's race.
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    Thanks GA. This is the weekly series. I don't think any of the other races allow the fields to mix, do you actually just enter the men's race instead of the women's?

    Most of our SW4 fields are 15-30.
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    Yep, I just do the men's race when there's no women's field, or sometimes I'll do the women's race first and then a men's race after.

    A few weeks ago my teammate was in a men's A race in Central Park, and was hanging out in the back, just trying to stay out of the way. Getting bored and figuring that it might be a little smoother toward the front, she waited for a good wheel to follow to move her up the side, just hoping to advance position a little bit--she spotted a good opportunity and hopped on, only to realize that he was attacking, and she'd accidentally gone OTF. I did that at Floyd once too. Oops.
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    Valygrl, GirlAnachornism, there is a crit series coming up that is close to where I live. It's also fairly flat, and I do well on flats (unlike hills, but that's coming). I'm thinking seriously of entering it, because being a "new racer" (at 60, of all things), I need to develop tactical and group skills at speed. HOWEVER, I (too) am terrified of crits - I see too many crashes in the ones I've seen in person (Sea Otter, as well as online vids, and friends saying "don't do it!"). Also, I smacked the pavement (hard) last summer in a group ride, and because of that crash I'm really leery of racing in close quarters. However, the "fun factor" is weighing higher with me than the fear. What do you gals think - go for it, or not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sarals View Post
    Valygrl, GirlAnachornism, there is a crit series coming up that is close to where I live. It's also fairly flat, and I do well on flats (unlike hills, but that's coming). I'm thinking seriously of entering it, because being a "new racer" (at 60, of all things), I need to develop tactical and group skills at speed. HOWEVER, I (too) am terrified of crits - I see too many crashes in the ones I've seen in person (Sea Otter, as well as online vids, and friends saying "don't do it!"). Also, I smacked the pavement (hard) last summer in a group ride, and because of that crash I'm really leery of racing in close quarters. However, the "fun factor" is weighing higher with me than the fear. What do you gals think - go for it, or not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by valygrl View Post
    It didn't help that I came into the corner on the inside and saw the whole pack sweep to the curb in front of me, leaving me apparently no where to go. What do you do in that situation? Just go and hope for the best?
    If that is happening, chances are you are cutting/chopping the corner, rather than following the line the pack is taking. While there are situations where it is appropriate (e.g., sometimes the pack goes wide enough to leave the inside open all the way through, which can be a good time to attack), it is generally something that will get you yelled at. As you are learning to get comfortable cornering in the pack, try following the wheel ahead of you, both in the line you take and from a pace perspective. Just remember not to fixate on that wheel - keep your eyes up ahead while tracking the rider ahead of you. That will let you anticipate or react quickly to changes of pace, and you won't burn matches in the corners.

    Sometimes the pack takes a line that isn't ideal, or isn't your preferred line. But if you take your own line, you have to get back into the pack, which can be difficult, and cause you to spend more time with your nose in the wind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AzTallRider View Post
    If that is happening, chances are you are cutting/chopping the corner, rather than following the line the pack is taking....
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    OMG, that is exactly what I did. Thank you. I saw all that free space on the inside of the pack approaching the corner and it looked so much more comfortable to be out there on my own instead of in the group. Now that you point it out, I see how that's a mistake.

    Sarals - yeah, you answered your own question "the "fun factor" is weighing higher with me than the fear"
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    Quote Originally Posted by valygrl View Post
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    Sarals - yeah, you answered your own question "the "fun factor" is weighing higher with me than the fear"
    Well, then - it's time for a crit!

    AzT, I'll try to make you proud!
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    valygrl -- It takes some time to develop comfort and skill in riding and taking corners in a tight pack at a fast pace. Of course, you can always practice control and such on your own. But, when in a race, some things I tend to do -- as others have said -- when taking a corner are follow the line of the wheel in front of me, watch the person on the bike, see what's going on in front of that person and up the road a touch, see how far I am from the curb when I enter the turn and hold that distance when going through the turn, and, probably other stuff that I don't even realize...and, there are exceptions of course!! You'll get it!!
    Training low-tech/old-school style with my srm in "Siberia" (like Rocky IV) in preparation for the 2012 racing season.

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    This is not my race report, but prepare to be entertained.

    http://marcpro-strava.com/blog/2012/...JoW9yI.blogger

    His other posts are here http://charleshutcheson.blogspot.com/

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    Quote Originally Posted by sarals View Post
    Well, then - it's time for a crit!

    AzT, I'll try to make you proud!
    Get out there and give it your all, and you definitely will!
    There was this little sticky uphill, I said "Now or never now or never. Everybody is hurting, I got to go now." - Jens

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    Quote Originally Posted by valygrl View Post
    OMG, that is exactly what I did. Thank you. I saw all that free space on the inside of the pack approaching the corner and it looked so much more comfortable to be out there on my own instead of in the group. Now that you point it out, I see how that's a mistake.
    A good tip on cornering is to ride right next to someone. In your case you want that someone to your outside. Follow someone, yes, but also stay next to someone. This way you have room - the person to your outside can't cross your front wheel because they're next to you. They won't chop the rider behind you because they're next to you. At the worst, if it gets tight, you have someone to push off of.

    Moving off line to the inside is not bad if you're trying to move up. Before you get to the turn, though, you want to have that person to your side, and you want someone in front of you. If you have both it means that you've integrated back into the field properly. If you don't have both, you're going to cause problems. At the very least the others will need to adjust based on whatever you have done and are doing.

    If you were moving in, "off line" if you will, you were probably doing something like a rider in this clip:


    You don't want to do what #97 does. There are examples of safe moving up (well, like me, at about 14:00 into the clip, where I comfortably integrate back into the field, except #97 was in front of me). Right after I integrate we dive into a right turn and the guy in front, #97, bobbles hard (for no reason that I can see). At that moment the guy to my outside leaned quickly and firmly on me to keep me in line. This prevented the #97 bobble from affecting more riders (i.e. if I'd moved off line it would have been even worse than it was).

    When you find yourself waiting for something, i.e. you are a few laps in and you don't remember how many to go so you're waiting to go by the start/finish (or something like that), practice cornering in the field while next to someone. I liken it to NASCAR or (I'm dating myself here) Top Gun. Two vehicles moving real fast relative to their surroundings but not real fast relative to each other. The absolute best feeling is when I'm leaned over as hard as possible, going as fast as possible, and everyone around me is static. We're all cornering at maximum, all respectful of one another, and all waiting for this truce period to pass. Because when you're cornering in a group it's the truce period - nothing happens. It's before and after that you battle again, honorably and fairly and hopefully with distinction.

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    Thanks cdr, that is very helpful to see it in action from the following rider's perspective. And even better to hear you articulate this stuff, which is so not obvious to me at this point. Thanks bg for your insights too.

    Next week I'll try not cutting the corner, being in the pack, next to someone, and following a wheel through the corner.

    What's the safest place in the pack with respect to the corner? Inside, outside? I'm not going to be up front in this pack, I'm not strong enough.
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