hahaha. It's fun watching you cling so tenuously to this position. Even in the face of the guy you repeatedly defend making the very same distinction I was making. It is truly the high point of this particular forum. Congrats. Don't ever change.
In answer to your question I know exactly what Armstrong is saying (even without the editorial clarification in the same interview stating what it meant), and more to the point that blood manipulation was not the standard until well after the time frame you'd like to imagine it was, which is exactly what Armstrong is saying in that particular bit. It may have been going on, but not with with the universality or sophistication it came to have. It was clearly possible to compete without blood manipulation up to a certain period in time, and after that period in the time it was no longer possible. While you may like to continue to debate these things, at this point given the wide spread admissions these are simply facts now.
As to the advances in blood manipulation like more effective transfusions, or transfusing blood that had been already manipulated by the use of EPO (which wasn't available until the late 80s) then withdrawn, or the use of drugs like EPO or Cera in high or micro dosages clearly there have been medical advances since Merckx was winning tours. So yeah, there's that.
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So without a pharmaceutical laundry list I can deduce that Pre '94 and post '94 the doping methods were significantly different. Lance likely spent more and made more on doping than anyone else in the history of any sport anywhere. I wouldn't trust him as far as I could hold his wheel but on the matter of how doping was different between pre-94 and post-94 I will give him the benefit of the doubt.
Does thinking that previous era's doped better defend you feelings on Lance Armstrong? I can't see why it would. If you are possibly the last remaining Lance fan be it for what you think is positive about him. Being a Lance fan because riders were using Reactivan in the 1960's makes no sense what so ever. Don't be a Lance fan because someone hasn't "Defined" what doping is.
It's not easy being a cycling fan. Races were doped, bought, sold, fixed and controlled since the start of professional cycling. It is not as easy as watching one race a year and hanging off sh*tty commentary. There is a lot of cycling history being published these days. It's not all about Lance and cheating. It may be a shady sport but it's fascinating.
2010 Colnago World Cup
2011 Eddy Merckx AMX-2
Just finished reading Wheelmen. It changed my perspective. Do I think he's some sort of a pariah? No. I think he was doing, better (doping), what many others were doing at the time. Someone eventually had to be caught however and I think he could have handled it in a way that would have worked out better for him in time than he did.
At the same time, it's a lot easier with hindsight on my fat ass in an office chair to strategize.
I never really followed the tour in detail and the accounts were amazing to read. The few times where he basically could decide if he wanted to let someone take a climb really amused me...animal power on tap. Pretty incredible.
I really don't believe the sport is suddenly clean either...
I still think the guy is an incredible athlete and with so many doing similar things in so many other sports, I really don't think a lot less of him as a result.
Life isnít fair. Man up and quit whining.
I don't defend LA, but damn the dude was a natural http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFkAhs4vAsk
That's him when he was only 15 y/o against the best in the world of Triathletes, including Dave Scott and Mark Allen.
"The aim of science is to make difficult things understandable in a simpler way; the aim of poetry is to state simple things in an incomprehensible way. The two are incompatible."
-- Paul Dirac