"lightweight" attempt, Act II

[WalksOn2Wheels]

Hey all, you may remember me from this thread a few months back. And the hilarious conclusion.

Well, I've got one final left to go This Thursday (it's been brutal) and then I've got a nice couple of weeks to relax. I was planning a trip to Waco to see some friends, but that never really worked out and I was a little worried about finding a place to camp around the halfway point anyway. So I think I'm going to go back to my original plan of taking a 2 nighter out to Dublin and back.

In recent months, I've gotten a lighter tent, though not lightweight by other hardcore folks' standards, it's a eureka spitfire and with the replacement stakes and new stuff sack, the whole kit comes up to right at 3 pounds. Much nicer than my 6.5-7 pound tent.

I also moved to a backpack for commuting and ditched the pannier idea altogether, so I plan on using this for the trip.

And even worse () I plan on riding my carbon Specialized Roubaix for the trip.

So yeah, I'm pretty much going against all touring wisdom.

As soon as I get more time, I'll start putting up pictures of the setup. Think "bikepacking" on a road bike. Tent and sleep system mounted n the bike, the rest in the backpack. I'm still trying to decide on what exactly I want to do as far as a sleeping bag. I was in Arkansas a week and a half ago and napped on just the sleeping pad in my clothes in the middle of the day and it was great. If temps stay high, I might just bring a jacket for backup. We'll see.

EDIT: Ugh, you would think I could type "lightweight" correctly in the title. A little help, mods? Finals are melting my brain.

[Cyclebum]

That ought to be nice ride to Dublin. Lots of rollers. I camped in the park in Stephenville. Dinosaur Valley SP would be a good overnight spot between GP and Dublin. Interesting place with great river for a swim.

If you're 5'10" or less, the Spitfire 1 may be the best tent there is for the $$$s. Be sure to seal the seams. I added some additional stake points to mine, and a ground cloth, for when the weather turns nasty.

[WalksOn2Wheels]

At 6'2", I'm definitely at the limit for the spitfire, but like I said, I set it up on a recent camping trip and napped in it. I didn't spend the whole night in the tent. it was a couples camping trip, so my wife and I were in our big tent, but I set up the spitfire just for kicks. It was perfectly fine, really. I'm able to sit up to read a book or whatever. The floor and fly were taped, but there were some overlooked spots I went over with the seam sealer as well. Right now, I'm doing a fair weather setup with just four stakes. It's still pretty sturdy.

Yeah, the dinosaur valley was indeed the plan. I am not as broke as I was on the last trip, so I'm less inclined to begrudge the extra bucks for a camp site. How are the showers?

[manapua_man]

I also moved to a backpack for commuting and ditched the pannier idea altogether, so I plan on using this for the trip.

And even worse () I plan on riding my carbon Specialized Roubaix for the trip.

So yeah, I'm pretty much going against all touring wisdom.

As far as the backpack thing goes, one way of looking at it is, you can still cover way more distance than you would on foot, so its really no big deal to jump off and take a break every so often. That and to be honest, I ride every day with a pack that weighs about 20lbs (text books, laptop, random tools I use at work etc.) without any issues. I sweat a lot regardless, so I just stash an extra shirt in there too


The spitfire looks cool, but I've got this thing against tents that aren't freestanding...

[fuzz2050]

The spitfire looks cool, but I've got this thing against tents that aren't freestanding...

You'll soon get over that. I've yet to meet a tent that has a freestanding fly.

[WalksOn2Wheels]

I've had the same feelings about freestanding vs. non-freestanding tents. But after setting up a freestanding tent on rocky soil I couldn't get a peg into to save my life, I realized rocks and guy lines were my friends. But to feel really secure, I had to get at least 4 rocks to make it work with my 4 cornered freestanding tent.

I was able to get a good pitch with the spitfire in the living room, minus the fly, just by attaching cords to each end and tying them to heavy objects to pull the tent taut. That and the majority of places I camp are on soft ground anyway. As I have it set now, I can pitch this tent with 4 stakes. The two hoop poles pull the tent pretty tight across the center, so they don't really need to be staked down unless you're in some major, major wind. And use the last two stakes if you're going to put the fly on, because it stakes out away from the tent on either side. In a lot of ways, I think it will make life on the road/trail a lot easier.

[manapua_man]

You'll soon get over that. I've yet to meet a tent that has a freestanding fly.

Unfortunately, my work requires me to camp out for about a week at a time out in the field on occasion, and this is sometimes in places where you literally can't stake anything down unless you have a power drill of some sort. So no, I don't think I'd get over that

I've had the same feelings about freestanding vs. non-freestanding tents. But after setting up a freestanding tent on rocky soil I couldn't get a peg into to save my life, I realized rocks and guy lines were my friends. But to feel really secure, I had to get at least 4 rocks to make it work with my 4 cornered freestanding tent.

I was able to get a good pitch with the spitfire in the living room, minus the fly, just by attaching cords to each end and tying them to heavy objects to pull the tent taut. That and the majority of places I camp are on soft ground anyway. As I have it set now, I can pitch this tent with 4 stakes. The two hoop poles pull the tent pretty tight across the center, so they don't really need to be staked down unless you're in some major, major wind. And use the last two stakes if you're going to put the fly on, because it stakes out away from the tent on either side. In a lot of ways, I think it will make life on the road/trail a lot easier.

About the only heavy things we have when we go out half the time are usually survey grade GPS or total stations, I'm not about to use those things to weigh down a tent on both ends. I've actually tried using a similar tent before, but it really just wasn't going to work out for me. For my purposes, a freestanding tent is just more useful, and while I haven't had any issues with high winds, I always have about 50ft of rope that I could use to tie off to something.

Also, if anyone didn't notice I just use the same tent for everything I do

[njkayaker]

The spitfire looks cool, but I've got this thing against tents that aren't freestanding...You'll soon get over that. I've yet to meet a tent that has a freestanding fly.

You'll soon get over that. I've yet to meet a tent that has a freestanding fly.

The fly typically (always?) needs to be guyed out but it's easier finding alternatives for doing that than it is for staking the whole tent.

The Spitfire is nice.

I've had the same feelings about freestanding vs. non-freestanding tents. But after setting up a freestanding tent on rocky soil I couldn't get a peg into to save my life, I realized rocks and guy lines were my friends. But to feel really secure, I had to get at least 4 rocks to make it work with my 4 cornered freestanding tent.

Like this.

[seenloitering]

WalksOn2Wheels,

If you haven't decided on a backpack yet, or if anyone else is considering doing this, make sure you get a pack that allows air to flow across your back. The other trick is that the maximum height of the backpack is different on the bike because your head is tilted back - particularly a problem if you're wearing a helmet. I would also recommend getting a backpack whose dimensions are within the average dimensions for carry-on luggage. Get a pack with a removable hip belt, and if at all possible, sit on your bike with the full pack before you buy it.

The biggest problem, I've found, is that backpacks are designed for an upright back. Specifically, the weight is supposed to rest on your hips via the hip belt, but as soon as you get on a bike, that stops working. Adopting a more upright posture can improve comfort somewhat, as long as your back remains curved enough to adsorb road shock, but I haven't figured out a way to get the weight off my back and onto my hips.

[indyfabz]

A free standing tent also comes in handy when you want to pitch somewhere like under a pavillion with a concrete floor to get out of the rain or in a shelter to avoid bugs. We will be doing the latter in Wisdom, MT during our upcoming trip. The mosquitoes should be plentiful.

[fietsbob]

aTunnel tent .. one goes up shell 1st, and bringing a few bags with a string attached to it,
can take some rocks, etc. as weight,

To make a Non freestanding tent stand up fine .

I hate it when the rainfly becomes a Spinnaker and sets sail on its own ..
halfway thru putting the tent up.

[WalksOn2Wheels]

WalksOn2Wheels,

If you haven't decided on a backpack yet, or if anyone else is considering doing this, make sure you get a pack that allows air to flow across your back. The other trick is that the maximum height of the backpack is different on the bike because your head is tilted back - particularly a problem if you're wearing a helmet. I would also recommend getting a backpack whose dimensions are within the average dimensions for carry-on luggage. Get a pack with a removable hip belt, and if at all possible, sit on your bike with the full pack before you buy it.

The biggest problem, I've found, is that backpacks are designed for an upright back. Specifically, the weight is supposed to rest on your hips via the hip belt, but as soon as you get on a bike, that stops working. Adopting a more upright posture can improve comfort somewhat, as long as your back remains curved enough to adsorb road shock, but I haven't figured out a way to get the weight off my back and onto my hips.

I hear you on all points. I've been commuting with the Osprey Talon 22 for months now, and it's been great. No backpack is going to be perfect in the sweat department, but I sweat anyways, so I tend to ignore it.

Regarding the hip belt, I tend to position my pack a little higher for on the bike than I would my other pack for actual backpacking. And when the hip belt is cinched, the shoulders are slack while standing so that it takes up the slack when I lean over. This works pretty well for me and I don't have any shoulder isues carrying around a 10-15 pound load every day. Maybe more on some days when i have papers to grade.

[WalksOn2Wheels]

Ok all, here are some cell phone pics of the first rough setup:







I bought the XS size rei stuff sack last weekend and was amazed that I could shove the tent down in there and compress it all the way. I'm even using the compression straps to mount it on the seat. I was worried about it hitting my legs, but rode around a bit with it there to see if it would bother me and it didn't. Up front is my 35 deg down bag along with a sleeping pad. All hand positions are still totally usable. Total of about 3 pounds on the front and about 2.5 pounds on the rear. Tent poles will go on one side of the backpack in the outside pocket. Stakes will be in the backpack as well.

The main downside? The rei stuff sack is only technically water resistant and the sleeping bag stuff sack is probably not even that. I've got a three week window in Texas to do a 3 day trip, so I can imagine I will find a no rain window, but the prospect is less than optimal. If push comes to shove, I can probably cram the sleeping back into my pack, which I have a nice rain cover for.

Haven't really gotten to the loading of the backpack stuff just yet. I imagine it will be more simple than last time because I won't be taking all of my winter stuff like last time. Mostly just stove, food, "kitchen", toiletries and clothes. Shooting for under ten pounds in the pack including a full 2 liter water bladder. But that is a lot of water...

[antokelly]

so is there a Dublin Texas.
great looking set up hope your comfy at night.

[fuzz2050]

Unfortunately, my work requires me to camp out for about a week at a time out in the field on occasion, and this is sometimes in places where you literally can't stake anything down unless you have a power drill of some sort. So no, I don't think I'd get over that

Eh, it all boils down to a matter of opinion, I've had no trouble with my non-freestanding tent on granite faces. It is more work, and it does sometimes involve shifting rocks around.

The real question is, why is it unfortunate that your job requires you to go camping: I know quite a few people who would do awful things for a job like that.

[Cyclebum]

The main downside? The rei stuff sack is only technically water resistant and the sleeping bag stuff sack is probably not even that. I've got a three week window in Texas to do a 3 day trip, so I can imagine I will find a no rain window, but the prospect is less than optimal.

I seriously doubt you'll have any problem finding a "no rain" window in north central Texas, considering the severe drought.

I like your packing set up. Took a bit of doing to figure it out and do it neatly. Be interesting to hear how you and the back pack get along.

Interesting that you, at 6'2" consider the Spitfire 1 adequate. I based my 5'10" limit on how I, at 5'7", fit in it. As for the free standing controvery, I notice my buddies always seem to place a few stakes around their "free standing" tents, and occasionally cussing the hard ground.

[WalksOn2Wheels]

Ok, well I took to the task of sorting out the rest of the gear and food for the trip. Here is the list along with some illustrations:

All weights are in grams unless noted:


For the above pictured bike:

On bike:

Front bag:
straps (2) 57
stuff sack 52
35 deg bag 1031
sleeping pad 464

Front total 1604

Rear Bag:
tent 574
fly 456
stuff sack 56

Rear Total: 1086

On bike total: 2690

Or about 5.93 pounds.



Backpack:

hydration bladder 94
pack 790

Clothes:
shorts 300
merino shirt 156
socks 59

Kitchen:
pot 35
stove 19
bottle of fuel 284
container 63
box matches 6
fire starters (5) 7
spork 9

Toiletries:
bag 11
soap/shampoo 131
deodorant 50
toothbrush 12
toothpaste 18
hand/dish soap 12
shower wipes 87
wet wipes 41
sunscreen 109
lip balm 9
towel 53

Tent:
poles 250
stakes 40

Misc:
bandanna 31
batteries 78
headphones 17
headlamp 28
ID/debit 8
keys 15
phone 134
knife: 79
phone charger 44
U lock 630
pack cover 60
camera 178


Tool kit:

bag 7
pump 58
tube 85
patch kit 3
multi tool 67


Pack total: 4167

Or about 9.19 pounds before food

Total base before food: 6857 grams or about 15.12 pounds. Pretty happy with that as it cuts about 7 pounds off from my last attempt.

Food:

dinner (2) 482
Oatmeal (6) 228
cocoa (3) 91
bar/gels 200
powder (9) 63

Total: 1064
Total w/o water 7921

Or about 17.46 pounds.

Loaded pack, tent poles in side pocket:



Energy gels in strap pockets:



Items loaded into top pocket for ease of access:



Total weight of the pack before water is 5231 grams or about 11.53 pounds. And as I type this, I realized also I planned on bringing a paperback, so there's that as well. Putting on the pack and adjusting the straps, it really feels like nothing. With water, it will definitely put on some weight, probably another 4 pounds with a full hydration bladder. So no more than 16.5 pounds tops. I'm sure I've done more than that on any given commute. I'll fill up the bladder and put some miles on the whole setup tomorrow on my commute. I may do it and decide I'd rather skip the hydration bladder and just run the bottles alone. But running out of water is kind of a terrible thing.

[WalksOn2Wheels]

Well, I put in about 14 miles on this setup on my commute yesterday. All in all, it went pretty well. The stuff sack mounted to the seat did start loosening itself. I think for a full day of riding, I'll tie the loose ends together to prevent slippage. Also, the bag on front tended to shift, so I'll have to be more careful about mounting it next time, making sure the straps are evenly spaced and cinched down tightly. I also managed to pick up one of those small bags that mount just behind the steerer on top of the top tube. I was able to put my gels, bars and tools in there, so that took another pound off of the pack and onto the bike. But in the end, that really only offsets the paperback I forgot to add to my list.

All in all, I think it will work out pretty well, but we'll find out for sure next week. I'll probably leave on my trip sometime Sunday or Monday morning.

[LeeG]

Also, the bag on front tended to shift, so I'll have to be more careful about mounting it next time, making sure the straps are evenly spaced and cinched down tightly. .

excellent set-up, you've got maybe three lbs more than I used to tour on with my road bikes but I went without tent, cooking gear, food, electronics and nearly all the toiletries. I put on a rear rack and put 75% on there with the rest in a smaller tube handlebar bag with the only thing on my back was what could fit into the pockets of my jersey.
What might help for the front is one or two long pieces of webbing that is secured along the long direction of the stuff sack then velcroed or buckled/fastek onto either or both the bar drops or brake hoods. The smaller bag I had was secured to the hoods and drops holding the bag away from the tops of the bars allowing for a full grip on the top. In your case it'll help stop some fore/aft and side to side swaying. It looks like your front bag is pretty free to flop around the cross connection of the webbing onto the bars.