Lightning and 50+ Bicycle Safety
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Lightning and 50+ Bicycle Safety
This is going to be controversial, BUT:
There were 29 lightning deaths in 2010 in the US of A, and 6 so far this year
https://www.lightningsafety.noaa.gov/fatalities.htm
There were something like 30,000 deaths from automobile accidents in 2010. In 2009, 630 bicyclists were killed and 51,000 were injured.
Only one of those lightning deaths in 2010 involved an open vehicle - motorcycle in Colorado. None involved bicycles.
Do you stop bicycling when there are cars on the road? Statistically, perhaps one should ride in thunderstorms and stay off the roads.
We are one of the lightning centers of the US of A.
Each year our TV stations have lightning safety specials - one after the other, again and again; yet nothing about vehicle safety, speeding, following too close, drunk driving, bicycle safety, etc.
I don't get it.
There were 29 lightning deaths in 2010 in the US of A, and 6 so far this year
https://www.lightningsafety.noaa.gov/fatalities.htm
There were something like 30,000 deaths from automobile accidents in 2010. In 2009, 630 bicyclists were killed and 51,000 were injured.
Only one of those lightning deaths in 2010 involved an open vehicle - motorcycle in Colorado. None involved bicycles.
Do you stop bicycling when there are cars on the road? Statistically, perhaps one should ride in thunderstorms and stay off the roads.
We are one of the lightning centers of the US of A.
Each year our TV stations have lightning safety specials - one after the other, again and again; yet nothing about vehicle safety, speeding, following too close, drunk driving, bicycle safety, etc.
I don't get it.
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I actually do live in the lightning capital of the US. When thunderstorms come through here we get literally thousands of lightning strikes in a few hours. I know a few folks who have been struck by lightning, though none have died. I like riding in the rain in the summer, because it's cooling and kind of fun.
I looking at lightning like I look at cars. You need to accept the danger, or stay inside. But there's plenty to do to reduce the danger. To reduce the danger from cars, you ride legally, assertively, and predictably. With lightning, you just try to avoid riding during the peak of the storm. There are bigger dangers associated with riding in thunderstorms than lightning - the wind, slick road, and limited visibility is more dangerous than the lightning, but the key is to be sensible, acknowledge the risk, and reduce it as best you can.
I looking at lightning like I look at cars. You need to accept the danger, or stay inside. But there's plenty to do to reduce the danger. To reduce the danger from cars, you ride legally, assertively, and predictably. With lightning, you just try to avoid riding during the peak of the storm. There are bigger dangers associated with riding in thunderstorms than lightning - the wind, slick road, and limited visibility is more dangerous than the lightning, but the key is to be sensible, acknowledge the risk, and reduce it as best you can.
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I pay attention to where I am when outdoors and there is lightening, on the bike or otherwise. I seek places were I'm not the tallest thing around. I'm more fearful of being in the middle of a lake in a row boat when there's lightening about than on my bike. Where there are trees and buildings near. Don't know who I'd feel in the wide open spaces of that exist where some of you live.
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I'll tell you where I pay attention to lightning, that's when I'm out in the Gulf of Mexico in my 22 foot boat. I've been boating and fishing out there for 30 years and have been caught in storms a fair number of times. There I am, 20-40 nautical miles from land, the highest thing around, holding onto a well grounded stainless steel steering wheel while lighting pops just everywhere. Have to run from waterspouts on occasion, that'll get your attention.
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There is a safety-nanny aspect to lightning warnings, just like for a lot of things these days.People are notoriously bad at evaluating risk, so the media seems to want to take up the challenge. Staying inside reduces the risk of getting hit by lightning to almost zero, but raises the risk of eating too many potato chips. Pick your poison, I guess.
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As a meteorologist, the title of this thread caught my interest!
You have to really think about this for a second.
How many more times does a cyclist encounter a car compared to a thunderstorm? Would you say its much easier to avoid or wait out a thunderstorm or cars? And how much harder is it to spot dangerous drivers than dangerous weather?
I try to avoid dangerous weather (at least when I'm on my bike!) It's a risk that you do have to choice to avoid.
You have to really think about this for a second.
How many more times does a cyclist encounter a car compared to a thunderstorm? Would you say its much easier to avoid or wait out a thunderstorm or cars? And how much harder is it to spot dangerous drivers than dangerous weather?
I try to avoid dangerous weather (at least when I'm on my bike!) It's a risk that you do have to choice to avoid.
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There is a safety-nanny aspect to lightning warnings, just like for a lot of things these days.People are notoriously bad at evaluating risk, so the media seems to want to take up the challenge. Staying inside reduces the risk of getting hit by lightning to almost zero, but raises the risk of eating too many potato chips. Pick your poison, I guess.
Ummm,, Potato Chips... One of my weaknesses.
As some of you may know, Massachusetts was recently hit with a very strong
tornado. Did a lot of damage to the western part of the state, with Springfield and Monson getting the worst of it. In my area, we were hit with a thunder and lightening
storm that would have made Nikola Tesla proud. A big "CRACK-BOOM!" and off goes the power. As a true nerd, I own several LED flashlights and lanterns, so no problem.
Still, most people have no idea how dark the world really is, until there are no lights at all.
I've been caught riding in summer thunderstorms quite a few times. But no, I would not have wanted to be caught in this one. Had I been riding, I would have sought shelter: Building, bus stop shelter, etc. The howling wind and rain would have made riding impossible for even the heartiest cyclist.
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As a meteorologist, the title of this thread caught my interest!
You have to really think about this for a second.
How many more times does a cyclist encounter a car compared to a thunderstorm? Would you say its much easier to avoid or wait out a thunderstorm or cars? And how much harder is it to spot dangerous drivers than dangerous weather?
I try to avoid dangerous weather (at least when I'm on my bike!) It's a risk that you do have to choice to avoid.
You have to really think about this for a second.
How many more times does a cyclist encounter a car compared to a thunderstorm? Would you say its much easier to avoid or wait out a thunderstorm or cars? And how much harder is it to spot dangerous drivers than dangerous weather?
I try to avoid dangerous weather (at least when I'm on my bike!) It's a risk that you do have to choice to avoid.
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When bicycle touring, what is the first thing we do when a lightning storm approaches? We take shelter inside our tents of course, where we are safely snuggled beneath an array of aluminum rods !!!
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I cut my ride short today because it started to thunder and the clouds got pretty dark. When we get our afternoon, summer thunderstorms the lightning is pretty fierce. The park that I ride in has a 15 mile paved trail that is in the middle of the woods with nothing but trees or open spaces. I really don't want to be in the open spaces and I don't really trust being under trees. If you have been in this area during one of our lightning storms, you'll know what I mean.
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This is going to be controversial, BUT:
There were 29 lightning deaths in 2010 in the US of A, and 6 so far this year
https://www.lightningsafety.noaa.gov/fatalities.htm
There were something like 30,000 deaths from automobile accidents in 2010. In 2009, 630 bicyclists were killed and 51,000 were injured.
Only one of those lightning deaths in 2010 involved an open vehicle - motorcycle in Colorado. None involved bicycles.
Do you stop bicycling when there are cars on the road? Statistically, perhaps one should ride in thunderstorms and stay off the roads.
We are one of the lightning centers of the US of A.
Each year our TV stations have lightning safety specials - one after the other, again and again; yet nothing about vehicle safety, speeding, following too close, drunk driving, bicycle safety, etc.
I don't get it.
There were 29 lightning deaths in 2010 in the US of A, and 6 so far this year
https://www.lightningsafety.noaa.gov/fatalities.htm
There were something like 30,000 deaths from automobile accidents in 2010. In 2009, 630 bicyclists were killed and 51,000 were injured.
Only one of those lightning deaths in 2010 involved an open vehicle - motorcycle in Colorado. None involved bicycles.
Do you stop bicycling when there are cars on the road? Statistically, perhaps one should ride in thunderstorms and stay off the roads.
We are one of the lightning centers of the US of A.
Each year our TV stations have lightning safety specials - one after the other, again and again; yet nothing about vehicle safety, speeding, following too close, drunk driving, bicycle safety, etc.
I don't get it.
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https://www.lightningsafety.noaa.gov/statistics.htm
I looked at the data and found 2 bicycle/lightning deaths since 2005
15 yo GA 2007
16 yo CO 2008
There were several motorcycle deaths
However, these were deaths, not people struck.
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thanks for the heads up. will avoid potato chips and tents. however ..... I choose to select my risks. Cars on road? hard to avoid but I can adjust my ride and be as obnoxiously visible as possible. Lightening? I'd really rather avoid this when possible. Something about roast me is not appealing. Lightening is part of the package of rain, wind, low visibility did I miss anything? If I am out and about on a ride there's not much I can do but cringe when one strikes nearby but I don't willingly jump outside when it's lightening in the area. That's just me. YMMV.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah... sometimes the fingers just cruise along the keyboard while the brain is in neutral. But, really I choose that spelling because I didn't want this thread getting too heavy.
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The verb vs noun quandry can be a lightning rod kind of discussion for this group. Are you sure we should go there?
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What is the point of the title of this thread? Do you really imagine that "50+ bicycle safety" is somehow a special topic?
Honestly, that's what annoys me most about this board. Any topic of general interest is imagined to be special somehow as applied to old-timers.
Try venturing out into the more general forums. You might like it.
Honestly, that's what annoys me most about this board. Any topic of general interest is imagined to be special somehow as applied to old-timers.
Try venturing out into the more general forums. You might like it.