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Zorba, what else is nasty about it?
cycling is like baseball ~ it doesn't take much to make it interesting
Leisesturm-Can you cite the studies that show estrogen is the cause of prostate cancer. I'm not trying to be combative-just interested. I did a quick google and the studies I saw just concluded that their may be a link and it is worth studying. They were looking at estrogen contamination in water supplies etc. None cited estrogen as the definitive cause of prostate cancer.
Currently riding a 2006 Trek 1000 with 'Discovery Channel' team colors and graphics.
There was a master who refused a drug test and was suspended (last year?). The officials were tipped off by other racers. He was bragging that he was taking drugs. And USA cycling can show up at your house at any time and demand that you submit a urine sample for testing. They have a mobile unit and do random testing as well as follow up testing from race results.
If you think about it, what is an acceptable level of testosterone that requires replacement therapy as a medical necessity. Let's face it. A 39 year old pro bike racer may have lower testosterone than a 23 year old and benefit from improved recovery from a testosterone patch.
Testosterone's effectiveness is a function of weight. Here is a link. http://www.weightwatchers.com/util/a...d=39281&sc=803 So proper diet, aerobic exercise along with strength training and weight control can go a long way to improving testosterone production and utilization.
As with most health issues, IMHO, public discussion is not a great idea and these matters are better kept private and discussed with medical professionals.
I think the regulators have this one correct. I am not passing judgment of those that choose to take replacement. They cannot compete in USA cycling or UCI events.
Last edited by Hermes; 05-04-12 at 01:43 PM.
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Slippery slope argument. Quality of life is a medical necessity for many. I am not sure of the point you are trying to make.
No argument there but, again, what is your point? What if despite all the diet and exercise your testosterone remains at the level of a 9 year old boy? Just deal with it?
Hmmm. This flies in the face of the spirit of intellectual sharing that is the internet. The privacy is what leads to the abuse. So you keep your doping private and so do I and its all good. I disagree. I have firsthand knowledge of what can happen when one supplements 'T' for long periods of time without checking on what that is doing to their estrogen levels. I am going to share that knowlege in the hope that it will keep some other guy somewhere from making the same mistake. This thread seemed like the perfect place. I have never seen a discussion of this topic online before actually.
No doubt they do. However, I doubt that it makes any difference. Garden variety 'T' is a low bar for drug testing. The stuff that cannot be tested for is the stuff that really makes or breaks a bike race. Just saying. I am not nor have ever been remotely interested in competition. However, if I was, and had testosterone levels low enough to be of concern enough to already conservative American doctors to warrant HRT... well I would seriously wonder about the wisdom of embarking on a racing carreer... ...
I get my by monthly shot tomorrow AM and then get blood drawn for testing. I don't know if its my imagination or what but my energy is for sure off. I was supposed to ride yesterday and found excuses and did the same today. I just didn't "have it", whatever "it" is.
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I highly recommend the gels if you have that option!
Sorry to dredge this back up. My numbers just came back and I am still very low. Doc told me to increase to 3 (from 2) pumps a day of the 6%. When I go my first script it was $80 with my insurance . How much do you pay, if you pay less then how?
I pay about $30/month with insurance. You may see your cost go down as you use up your copayment/deductible.
Update on a thread I started one year ago:
I've been on prescription testosterone for a year now and just had my annual checkup, though I have had testosterone checks a couple times during the year. I've been using the gel and applying it mainly in the AM with a touchup dose at night. All indications are that we have the dosage right... max level I have tested three hours after the morning dose is 746. (Normal= 300 to 1000)
I'm very, very happy with my results.
-Bodyweight is down between 10-14 pounds (no really special dieting or increase in mileage ridden)
-Lean body mass up
-Between 20 and 40 watts more power on the trainer than last season
-Recovery from exercise is better... you can still get tired however
-PSA is unchanged and Doc describes my prostate as "perfect"
Unless you are philosophically opposed to this sort of thing, hate big pharma, or your rides are governed by WADA or whoever, I highly recommend getting tested.
i'm glad my sex hormones are in remission..
Babes dig me since I started Androgel.
It seemed like a good idea at the time.
Glad to hear it is working for you, billydonn. I am still boderline low. I will have another followup blood test soon. Not sure if my doctor will order drugs or not at this point.
[QUOTE=Leisesturm;14181553]Out of competition? How do they possibly enforce this? My testosterone tests squarely in the normal range, what would an official use as evidence of doping to disqualify me from competing in a race?[QUOTE=Hermes;14181253]
Urine or blood is tested for synthetic testosterone. They look for ratios of testosterone to epitestosterone to help them determine if testosterone levels have been artificially raised. They can also look at subtle differences between exogenous versus endogenous testerone. But, yes, testosterone is on WADA's banned list http://www.wada-ama.org/Documents/Wo...st-2013-EN.pdf. They would not be too concerned about whether a competitors testosterone is in a normal range, but whether it was artificially raised.
Glad it is working Billydonn.
For those of you who race, I would suggest trying melatonin. Last time I searched thoroughly, it is not on WADA's banned list. But I have not searched thoroughly on their 2013 list.
I've been taking it since last spring & the results were significant & almost immediate. I've felt that I have had fluctuating hormone levels for about 7 years & have had ups & downs in energy levels. Since I've been taking melatonin my energy levels have been consistent & higher. My cycling has improved dramatically.
I have not been tested for testosterone or other hormone levels. However, based on my own perceptions I believe testosterone & HGH levels have increased. A cycling friend of mine who works in the health food/supplements industry told me that melatonin helps regulate other homone levels.
Melatonin is not for everyone as it can increase blood pressure & blood sugar levels. Bottom line, whatever you try taking, do some research.
For me, the T has done pretty much what the commercials say it should do. If I recall correctly, I felt different pretty soon after starting, with more energy and alertness. I seemed to recover more quickly after exercise. It took a good while (8 or 9 months) to notice changes in body composition... i.e. lower body fat, more defined muscles. My legs, especially, are changing pretty noticeably now. I could not be totally sure of the cycling results until my power meter told me last month that I am capable of making 20-40 more watts than I could make last year.
It might be interesting to back through this thread and see what I was saying during the first few months. To be honest, I don't remember exactly. But the words are there for anyone who looks.
Bill, if you aren't feeling any results consider getting checked again at some point so as to be allowed to up your dosage level, if necessary.
Last edited by billydonn; 01-15-13 at 05:17 PM.
Isn't getting old is a fact of life? So what happens when your body quits producing it's own hormone because of the synthetic stuff being used, more and more gel? There is a lot of info out there and the only thing I needed to read was 1: your body basically quits producing it's own hormone and 2: some people have great results for the short term, but have to up the dose quickly and then it still drops after awhile. I looked into it before I let a pro talk me into a life long commitment of steroids. I also though why do I need to feel younger and stronger at 50. I'm already in great shape and feel good? The natural progression of life dictates things differently in my opinion. I did see a news story on CBS about how older men are turning to this treatment in order to get a boost with their energy, concentration and strength, but there is no long term study on the effects of the stuff and my guess is as everything artificial it isn't great. Sorry about the negative rant, but I think it's silly unless you need it to sustain your life.
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