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    Last edited by badmother; 05-02-12 at 09:34 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leo H. View Post
    That's one point of view, but a 20" bike isn't necessarily that way for compactness. The idea of a lower load position makes for a more stable cargo carry. Or, if one wants to be daring, a larger and bulkier load capability is available to a rider with a lower rear frame.



    Hearsay sir! Conventional, perhaps; a convenient add-on package to a frame lying around, I agree; spendy, indeed. Better combo? Are there really a large enough number of similar products to compare to and make that statement? I say not.



    Towing cargo in a trailer is one way to go about the task, but then, you can't be quibbling about the length of a cargo bike frame, no matter what sized rear wheel. Plus, if you want to just pop down to the store, a trailer is a bit inconvenient to do an impromptu grocery get unless you happen to have your bike and trailer laying about already hooked up. A cargo bike with duffles or baskets is off and rolling when you get on it. As for towing another bike, the lower axle height of a 20" wheel would make a hitch placement for towing a bicycle low and safe, should you need to do that.

    Another point about a longer wheelbased bike that many df riders can't understand is the ride quality of a longer bike. It's more forgiving of road conditions. Not as smooth as a full suspension bike absolutely, but it is less harsh.
    I made the statement that Xtracycles make the best combo based on its humble beginnings in the late 90s and the test rides I did a decade earlier. Yes, I test rode an Xtracycle and evaluated it more than a decade ago before anyone make a big stink now as one of the best cargo trailers. Unfortunately though, the local distributor company I was involved in testing is no longer in business, but I loved the design and being a long tail, it rides well due to its longer wheelbase and chainstays. Same principle riding in a long bus where you sit in the middle.

    A number of things to consider with cargo bikes especially when you live in hilly areas like Vancouver or in San Francisco is that you need low gears to climb those hills and you need a stiff frame to resist torsional oscillation which makes it difficult to ride with a heavy load. The effective wheelbase on the 20" cargo bike isn't much less than say a 26" wheel bike, but bigger wheels roll better because the tires roll over potholes and imperfections BETTER than a smaller wheel. While North American roads are somewhat smooth, it's not glass smooth and you do loose some momentum as you have increased load with smaller wheels.

    I have nothing against a small 20" cargo bike, but I just don't see any advantage against a 26" cargo bike other than the cool factor and the price. But I do see it being a good choice for the electric version especially for hill climbing. If you buy the ODK cargo bike and equipped it with an eZee electric front wheel 20" kit, it will be slightly cheaper than the ODK electric cargo bike.
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    I've been thinking of trying to build a 20"-wheel cargo bike which would allow me to use Xtracycle stuff and still fit on a bus rack when necessary. I don't know if it's feasible, but I'm toying with the idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wandt View Post
    I've been thinking of trying to build a 20"-wheel cargo bike which would allow me to use Xtracycle stuff and still fit on a bus rack when necessary. I don't know if it's feasible, but I'm toying with the idea.
    I have a Nano Frame with forks if you are interested.
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    Wow.

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    poor mans cargo bike. This is a quick mock up and it rides great as a single speed, but I want to use my sram Automatix on this bike. I also need to get a longer stem.

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    Just linking to a thread about longtail small wheel bikes in the Utiliti forums.

    http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...7#post14306487
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    A newer version of the Royal Enfield Revelation: http://its-not-a-bicycle-its-a-demon...portfolio.html
    scroll down a little on that page to see the bike


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    Since this thread is up again I`ll post this x-tra extension for 20" wheels. Made for recumbents but I have a hope it can be used on other 20" bikes too. http://www.t-cycle.com/Merchant2/mer...gory_Code=cmon

    http://www.t-cycle.com/CargoMonster.htm
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    I've been thinking of trying to build a 20"-wheel cargo bike which would allow me to use Xtracycle stuff and still fit on a bus rack when necessary. I don't know if it's feasible, but I'm toying with the idea.
    Seems front of the bus bike racks Just fit regular Meter long wheelbases.. Id double check that,
    Bring your tape measure to the bus yard to measure an off duty busses' one..

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    Quote Originally Posted by semaler View Post
    I like that one. I hope peopel buy it so the company can survive. Must be something like this the OP wanted. This bike is much like the Skeppshult.

    Only thing is that it looks like the seat tube and headtube angle is much the same so no extra reach for tall peopel.
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    designs seen 406 rear, 559 front , but only on paper.. Fire up your TIG welder..
    Last edited by fietsbob; 01-26-13 at 10:53 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
    designs seen 406 rear, 559 front , but only on paper.. Fire up uiur TIG welder..
    bike 522 m or less Şakalar, iyi dilbilgisi. menunjukkan rasa hormat beberapa ketika posting.tikai atkritumi se ni ne povas legi ĝin
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    I like that Barcelona too.

    Quote Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
    designs seen 406 rear, 559 front , but only on paper.. Fire up uiur TIG welder..
    There`s a 406-R, 559-F rear cargo bike living about 10 miles from me- LeoH and I made it. Picture of it (pre powder coating) on the first page of this thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by badmother View Post
    bike 522 m or less Şakalar, iyi dilbilgisi. menunjukkan rasa hormat beberapa ketika posting.tikai atkritumi se ni ne povas legi ĝin
    Huh?

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