Sat,
Right, that's a bit much even for an interference fit. It must be due to re-plating the frame. I could shrink the cups with dry ice, but don't think that would be a good idea. I don't have any reamers the correct size and to buy one would cost more than the LBS is charging. So, I'll just cross my fingers and let them have at it. I'm taking it in Friday morning.
Sounds to me as if the headtube may need facing.
Is that frame by OldSteelMachine? If so, everything on it is suspect. The guy is an el-primo hack.
-Kurt
Yeah, what's the story on him?Originally Posted by cudak888
You are correct. I used Jim's converted number, which was incorrect. Oops.
A wise decision. It's not a reamer that is needed, but rather the correct headtube facing/reaming tool as is part of the Campagnolo frame tool set (or others). The danger, though, will be chipping the chrome on the headlugs, and chrome can damage the tool as well. It should have been machined prior to plating.
Last edited by 753proguy; 05-02-12 at 11:43 AM. Reason: spellin'
The Campagnolo Tool Kit has a Passa No Passa gauge for the head fittings. .002" for the crown race sounds good for a press fit. For the head time... were the head lugs rechromed? I would want a bit less of an interference fit fort steel cups into a head tube, you did not mention the brand of head set, Campagnolo is usually very accurate where they need to be.
No Cyclus tools need be used. Campagnolo is the STANDARD. No experience with Park tools of this type.
Google "Caleb8081."
-Kurt
Has he destroyed that second user name yet? There are a few guys like that to different degrees. If it is a bike from him, then a really good chance that the rechrome is over the old, and reaming of the head tube is required, problem is that chrome is murder on cutting tools.
That suck, big time. I'll know more on Friday. Whatever the case may be, I'm stuck with the machine and will have to make the best of it.
OSG
Oldschoolguy... is easy to know if the chrome is inside the lug, just look at it... either way the park tool will do just fine, is just a tiny bit that need correction, like 2 minutes or less at each side of the front tube. Really easy job, just dont mention about chroming or anything
The main reason is better to face that headtube is because if the surface where the tube doesnt seat right, the headset might start creacking and is really annoying when that happens, pretty much the guy will turn the tool 2 or 3 times and ready to go, is not that they will take half milimeter off the tubes, is just a scuffing, thats more than enough.
For the record you can get a house set of tool for about 250 bucks or less in bike tools etc (i believe thats the name), since are tools that are rarelly used they will last many years.
Before i forget, since you will take the frame to the shop ask the guys to face and chase the BB aswell, 10 more minutes. If they are going to ask you 100 bucks for the job just say no, thats stealing.
Yes - no longer sells under that name. At least, not bikes. You might want to bring up Paramounts #K7159 and #L73611 in The Headbadge's Paramount registry, though a Google search for "Paramount L73611" will bring up more detailed commentary on the latter frame.
You seem to have made out a bit better than most; this was likely nothing more than a repaint candidate. Nevertheless, I'd face the inside of the headtube (find someone willing to wreck their cutters to do the job), out of sheer fear of possibly cracking the lug and the tube from forcing the headset - such damage is not out of the question if this isn't remedied.
I'd also follow Ultraman's advice and have the BB chased and faced. No telling what this eBaying idiot and his spray gun accomplished.
-Kurt
Last edited by cudak888; 05-02-12 at 09:38 PM.
Kurt, are you suggesting the seller's claim that Waterford refinished this frame is bogus?If so, that in itself is fraud.
Almost as bad as presenting counterfeit $50 bills as real. Where's the Secret Service when you need them?
Bob
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I never read the ad - every single frame that OldSteelMachine has sold has been "restored" via his own facilities, to my knowledge. If I'm not mistaken, he's an auto painter.Kurt, are you suggesting the seller's claim that Waterford refinished this frame is bogus?
I'd give that frame a real close look before I'd be convinced it's a Waterford job. The fact that it was restored minus the correct pinstriping is already a warning.
It would be wise to email Richard Schwinn and confirm whether this frame is a Waterford refinish or not.
-Kurt
Pastor,
No,the Waterford claim was my own error. The eBay description mentioned restoration and Waterford. This silly old guy read more into the description than was there. Just a stupid case of seeing what I wanted to see instead of what was actually there. Totally my own fault. Whatever the vendor's past problems, if any, there was no misrepresentation here. Below is the eBay description.
Item has been restored to perfection
Frame is Completely chrome underneath followed by a flawless color matching 3 stage glass finish
Original waterford decals!
Decals are period correct and are cleared over for a smooth finish
If you like perfection this is the bike for you!
One of the most beautiful paramounts you will see.
Before restoring, frame was completely striped and inspected. No signs of rust was found
All threads are in great working order and very clean
Though unintentional, I am the guilty (and stupid) one here.
OSG
Last edited by OldSchoolGuy; 05-03-12 at 08:22 AM. Reason: Highlighted eBay desciption.
Whatever the case might be with the vendor, my Paramount is a piece of history and deserves to be back on the road again, and if it turns out to be a POS, I still have this:
P1010015.jpg
OSG
^ ...and your Ciocc certainly is a beauty! Hopefully all will be well with your '70 Paramount. Thankfully it is now in the hands of a great new owner.
Bob
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Just in case i have a friend with one of those paramounts but fully chromed. In case you want to move in another direction. The guy a forum member and the frame i believe is size 60.
I do some painting and the 3 stage part sounds weird to me... If its only one base color plus the clear the paint is 2 stage... unless the guy put a pearl over it or something, that might do a 3 stage paint job. What color is the bike?? no pictures yet or links.
I edited my earlier post for correction....
.2mm difference for headcups is a big deal. I've tried installing ISO/BSA 30.2mm cups in a JIS 30.0mm frame and they dont fit.
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"Completely chrome underneath" in regards to a Paramount means that it was an all-chrome frame that was in bad enough shape to warrant a paint job instead of a rechrome. Paramounts with factory chrome ends were only partially dipped.
OldSteelMachine is an auto painter by trade - who knows what he did? Might have been base with a clear + decals + clear over the decals.
-Kurt
Cudak,
Frame is going to LBS tomorrow a.m. to fit the headset. If that goes well, I'll begin assembly after work on Saturday then take some photos. BTW, the color is Kool Lemon. I have no idea how it was originally. If this helps, the serial number is A7033. Post #14 has a partial picture.
OSG
Last edited by OldSchoolGuy; 05-03-12 at 07:27 PM. Reason: Added "post #14"
Sounds good - I take it the shop has been warned to expect that they may have to face the headtube, correct?
Unfortunately, I don't have any history on A7033 - it has never been entered into the registry. Would you like to add it under your ownership?
-Kurt
Kurt,
That would be Ok, but I have no clue as to how to do it.
OSG
Last edited by OldSchoolGuy; 05-04-12 at 09:34 AM. Reason: Replaced text lost when cat stepped on keyboard.
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