For instance ... if I want to join a group ride I will ask them to clarify 3 parameters:
-stopping to drink beer underway (Yes/No)
Taking these 3 parameters into consideration, I can then assess whether or not this group ride could be something for me.
The closest I got to a speeding ticket was in 2005 when I got pulled over during the maiden voyage of my brand new racing bike. I was doing 31 in a 25 zone, but he told me I was stopped for failing to signal a left turn. Also that I looked too excited and he thought it would be safer if I calmed down. But no ticket or even a warning that I was speeding
It is really pretty simple. If a group/someone says they average 15mph, I am gonna pass on riding with them, if they say they average 20+, that is the group I want. All these other variables being talked about really don't come into play.
Telemachus has, indeed, sneezed.
Personally, those "other variables" matter a lot and only WITH them is AVG speed meaningful. I'd choose the 15mph group if it meant hitting 5000-10,000ft of climbing versus 20mph on a pancake. But, different strokes and all...
haven't read any of the posts. just the title. but i'd say with less than 24 hours in, and three pages of responses, there is plenty!
average speed doesn't really mean anything to me because of the variability of it between different routes. 15 mph on a flat isn't really that fast but 15 mph on a alpine pass is crazy fast. Average wattage is a much better indicator of performance.... but I do understand that most people can't really afford power meters so that why they look at avg speed
the only time that average speed really means anything to me is either on a perfectly flat non stop time trial or an track race.
I have never been given the "full details" that you spoke of above prior to going on a ride. I am going to find the faster riders and ride with them. If I can't keep up, it will not be the first time nor the last that I am dropped. Being made way more complicated than it needs to be. Maybe that is just BF My ride this weekend with a group is approx 60miles, and 8000 vertical. That tells me what i need to know as well. I also use average speed on solo, repeat known routes to compare my progress during the season.
I don't bother with averages or any other measure of speed that don't take into account how i felt when i finished.
One day that average is gonna go down and never go back up.
I got sick of my average speed being so low,and added a extra magnet,now I'm hauling ass everywhere,and it feels good!
I've been riding road bikes since around 1982, been a member of a large road club since 1989, and I've rarely ever heard anyone speak of average speed until I came to Bike Forums.
I stopped using a speedometer in 2002 but always ride with people who have all manner of electronics.
I've spoken to other bf members who I ride with and they also think the average speed talk is weird.