wheel question
09-04-12 | 03:15 PM
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Ricky Bobby, is that you???
It's not the wheels that make you go really fast.
"But then again, if you aint first, you're last!"
How would you know this? Define "better" and according to what standard? How many wheels have you tried?
But if you really just want a suggestion, get Neuvation M28, they are awesome, but so are Soul Wheels, then there's Psimet, let's not forget Boyd, Williams, Reynolds, Vuelta, Lighweights, Fulcrum, Campganolo, Mavic, Forte Titan, M1, Rolf, American Classic, Topolino, Santa Barbara, Four Calling Birds, Three French Hens, Two Turtle Doves and a Partridge in a Pear Tree!
It's not the wheels that make you go really fast.
"But then again, if you aint first, you're last!"
How would you know this? Define "better" and according to what standard? How many wheels have you tried?
But if you really just want a suggestion, get Neuvation M28, they are awesome, but so are Soul Wheels, then there's Psimet, let's not forget Boyd, Williams, Reynolds, Vuelta, Lighweights, Fulcrum, Campganolo, Mavic, Forte Titan, M1, Rolf, American Classic, Topolino, Santa Barbara, Four Calling Birds, Three French Hens, Two Turtle Doves and a Partridge in a Pear Tree!
i know its not just the wheels but they also help.the bike came with shimano rs20 wheels their decent i guess but im looking for an carbon set of wheels
on flat i want to go faster
09-04-12 | 03:21 PM
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If you are not already blazing through 40k time trials, Wheels. Will. Not. I repeat, NOT. Make. You. Any. Faster.
At. All.
09-04-12 | 03:25 PM
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hmmm sure seemed like it when i looked online but im guessing that's why pros use the rs20?
09-04-12 | 03:49 PM
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What MegaTom is saying is that unless you spend large amounts of time in the 25-35mph range, aero wheels will not make you any faster. Pros spend the majority of their time in those ranges (and higher), hence their use of aero wheels.
09-04-12 | 04:00 PM
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09-04-12 | 04:06 PM
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Come on now, these logical fallacies really fail to support any argument. The OP is confused enough as it is
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09-04-12 | 04:30 PM
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09-04-12 | 04:33 PM
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09-04-12 | 04:49 PM
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Weight doesn't matter very much on flat ground. Light carbon vs boat anchor cast iron, it could be important if you wanted to be faster going up hill. The wheels you're asking about cost a lot of money, and will only make you a little bit faster - it will only be measurably faster if you're already pretty fast to begin with. You should put some thought into whether a few seconds per mile are worth it to you.
09-04-12 | 05:21 PM
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09-04-12 | 05:23 PM
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I stand behind it. Looking at the kinematic equation in https://www.recumbents.com/WISIL/Mart...%20cycling.pdf I see an inverse relation between speed and wheel weight and rolling resistance (and CdA, as well) regardless of rider speed or power. Do you read it differently
What does this have to do with the question? Are you intentionally trying to confuse and mislead this poor guy?
09-04-12 | 05:26 PM
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If you've the $ to spend, you'll get the most benefit from a set of stiff, lightish wheels such as Ksyrium SLs, Dura ace or Fulcrum 0s. All 3 should suffice for your present weight. They should feel more solid and accelerate better than what you have now.
09-04-12 | 05:32 PM
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Saying there is a certain speed below which wheel choice makes no difference is wrong and misleading. Lowering wheel weight, rolling resistance or CdA will make anyone faster regardless of speed. I'm merely correcting your inaccurate post above. First by counterexample, then by analysis.
09-04-12 | 05:40 PM
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Saying there is a certain speed below which wheel choice makes no difference is wrong and misleading. Lowering wheel weight, rolling resistance or CdA will make anyone faster regardless of speed. I'm merely correcting your inaccurate post above. First by counterexample, then by analysis.
So congratulations, winner, you've just sold a completely useless set of Zipps to someone that absolutely no need for them. Your shop manager will be proud.
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09-04-12 | 05:47 PM
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You're right. I'm sure a pair of 808s will take a whole 2 seconds off his next "RIDING AROUND" (OP's words, not mine) results.
So congratulations, winner, you've just sold a completely useless set of Zipps to someone that absolutely no need for them. Your shop manager will be proud.
So congratulations, winner, you've just sold a completely useless set of Zipps to someone that absolutely no need for them. Your shop manager will be proud.
09-04-12 | 06:04 PM
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More like two minutes, but I haven't sold anyone anything. Whether the two minutes are worth the cost to the OP is something only he or she can decide, but giving the actual benefit lets people make an informed decision. Saying there's no benefit is as much a con as saying the wheels will add 5 mph to the speed.
09-04-12 | 06:13 PM
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I think it's great that you have this deep understanding about the science and math behind the subject, but your application of this knowledge to this particular real-world question is lacking. No one is arguing that there is no benefit to a lighter or more aerodynamic wheel. Yes, there are indeed real advantages to be had, for someone that has already overcome the many, and much larger obstacles (namely, the "engine's" performance). But for a new rider who is "just riding around"? No. There is not one iota of an advantage.
I waited till I finished 1500 miles before upgrading my wheels. It was worth the wait.
09-04-12 | 06:16 PM
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09-04-12 | 06:17 PM
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Bling is always a factor, and I would never deny someone the pleasure of parting with their own hard-earned dollars in pursuit of such a thing... whatever it takes to get your ass on the saddle!
09-04-12 | 06:19 PM
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That is exactly what you argued above. Though it's good to see you've come around.
It's interesting that you think wheels somehow know the fitness of the rider. In the real world though, wheels have no consciousness. The physics that make low drag wheels faster are the same at 4 mph as at 40. In fact, the slower rider saves more time than the faster one.
It's interesting that you think wheels somehow know the fitness of the rider. In the real world though, wheels have no consciousness. The physics that make low drag wheels faster are the same at 4 mph as at 40. In fact, the slower rider saves more time than the faster one.
