Reading your posts, it sounds like you feel strongly that you have the law on your side and you also have an attorney who concurs. Now, you had mentioned that you'd be willing to contribute legal fees to a person who was injured by a paceline group. But it seems like you don't need to wait for an accident to occur to proceed to get pacelines banned (again, I'm taking care not to misstate your positions).

So how does that work? Can you just file a criminal complaint or get a restraining order? When do we start to see things start to happen?

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Remember when you insulted my smarts? Spelling is not your strong suit huh, ace? Well, spelling and logic.

A restraining order ordering the entire state to not break a given law? I don't think that's it.

A criminal complaint? No, the police don't normally issue minor moving violations just on somebody's word -- they generally have to see the violation themselves.

What he probably needs to do is convince the local police that pace-lines are 1) a violation of the "following too closely" law, and 2) a serious enough thing to be worth cracking down on.

Forrester is convinced that it's not a violation of the law, I'm not so sure, but ultimately what we think doesn't matter -- what matters is what he can convince the police and judges of. If he can't even convince them it's against the law, then this will all go nowhere.

Assuming that he can convince them that it's against the law, then he needs to convince them that it's worth enforcing. I imagine police generally currently think it's just a "cyclists being cyclists" thing -- it doesn't normally lead to serious injuries, cyclists do it all over, they've been doing it for decades and the police have never really cared ... why start now?

If he's really serious about this, probably the thing to do is to wait until there's a serious injury in a paceline. Preferably in the local area, as the closer the better. Then bring this to the police and/or mayor as a serious problem and see what happens.

(And if it does work (and maybe even if it doesn't), he needs to be ready for vilification by the local roadies and cycling organizations.)

This discussion reminds me about those drivers who sit in the middle lane of a 3 lane highway, driving the speed limit with cars passing on both sides and cars in the middle lane slamming on their brakes to prevent a rear ender. The driver is legally in the right and if he did cause an accident he would not be at fault, but really, is being right about something so important you can go through life putting others at risk?

Technically their not in the legal right to do that. A cop could, and should, write tickets for impeding traffic to those morons. Back in the 70's when I was in drivers ed in high school we were told the far left lane was for passing and emergency vehicles only, but traffic congestion got so bad over the years that became impracticable, but still people should not be in that lane unless their passing others whenever possible and never go slow in that lane just because they can't exceed the speed limit by even 1 mph.

They have recently killed one of their own while riding in a paceline, https://www.planobicycle.org/forum/vi...hp?f=38&t=3216


While I don't care what anyone thinks of me, they can only blame themselves for any problems arrising from this. As I have repeatedly mentioned, I tried contacting the leaders of the two groups that have caused me the problems that provided my incentive to pursue this issue. There responses would be right at home on this forum...

In general, drivers ed has never been the best place to get accurate information about anything

They couldn't very well be in the far left lane if traffic is passing them on both sides as described.

apparently you don't even need to be a cyclist to waste hours on end on BF, who knew?

Again, read your own post. Nowhere in the quoted post does it say "my current practice is". You only now claim such after your contradicting post have been pointed out.

[QUOTE=rekmeyata;14762500]Technically their not in the legal right to do that. A cop could, and should, write tickets for impeding traffic to those morons. Back in the 70's when I was in drivers ed in high school we were told the far left lane was for passing and emergency vehicles only, but traffic congestion got so bad over the years that became impracticable, but still people should not be in that lane unless their passing others whenever possible and never go slow in that lane just because they can't exceed the speed limit by even 1 mph.[/QUOT
I was talking about the middle lane on a 3 lane highway. I don't think it is illegal to drive in that lane even though the slower drivers should be in the far right hand lane. And yes, why the slower drivers sit in the passing lane, (far left), I will never understand. Myrridin just seems to be one of those people who would put others at risk just because he is in the right. (riding his bike "just right of centre and braking and pulling over to the right when being passed? Who is putting who at risk?) I understand why we have laws and rules, but is common sense not important too?

Especially in today's world of special, err I mean drivers education. The school I went to actually taught us something called the Smith School of Driving, something I found out years later from a truck driver friend he was taught at the truck company he works for and he highly praises it.

But regardless, if you read your states code book the fact is that the far left lane is still for overtaking and emergency vehicles. And this is what N.J. is doing about it: https://articles.philly.com/2012-03-0...n-traffic-flow

The middle lane is a different story, though in Europe they never use that lane either unless overtaking, then faster cars overtake the middle laners by going to the left lane, and as soon as they pass they merge back into the middle then if open the R lane. Of course here in America like I mentioned before that's a bit difficult with traffic congestion, but if we practice that as much as possible there would be fewer problems on the road. Nothing worse then coming up behind a car in the fast lane who refuses to move over so you have to pass on the right, right passing is more dangerous.

New Jersey was one of the first to have a "left lane is for passing" laws, unfortunately accompanied by a law against passing to the right. Inexplicably, they were much more likely to nail you for passing in the right lane than lingering in the left. There is a hangover from that in Pennsylvania, you can almost guarantee if someone is sitting in the left slowing up traffic they are from New Jersey.

Well that's not right! they should give the ticket to the driver impeding traffic. By the way, NJ is not the first state to have that law, ALL states have that law, NJ is simply the first state in a very long long time to re-inactivate the law with enforcement. Now if only they could enforce it correctly.

"they" have recently "killed one of their own".... (RIP, fellow rider)

wow, dude. you don't care, you want to meddle in a bicyclists' death, introducing a perverse ulterior machination to that man's family, friends, and loved ones in a most difficult circumstance.

and you want to try and stop people riding in close proximity in texas.


words cannot describe.....

That's some pretty callous stuff right there. I sure hope nothing tragic ever happens to you on a ride. That would really be a shame.

If they violate TX law then they are already banned. You just want them to stop because the idiots are buzzing you. I don't blame you, though I doubt I would go to any effort to try to do anything about it except maybe wander around in the lane more. If you did ride farther to the right, say in the right wheel track, would they still pass so close?

This is an awful nice way to get killed, even if you're in a car.

myridin, if you are knocked down and miss work, have medical bills, etc, the cyclists will stop and fess up to who did it, which we know they will because cyclists are soooooo much better than drivers. Go to court and ensure they "make you whole", just like a car driver should. If they can't pay up, make sure you put a lien on any property they might own. After all, they are just as responsible as vehicle drivers for your injuries. Mandatory 3 foot passing laws should apply to cyclists, as well as vehicles.