I need a modern bottom bracket or vintage spindle for peugeot orient express 86
03-18-13, 11:12 PM
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I need a modern bottom bracket or vintage spindle for peugeot orient express 86
As some of you know, I brought back to life my old peugeot triathlon '86 and I am happy with the results.
Now, I am working on my other peugeot 86, an orient express and while I think I still can use the old bottom bracket; because of the condition of the spindle I would prefer to use a more modern and new bottom bracket. The problem I got is that because of what I believe is an unusual size (aprox. 133.5 mm) I have not been able to find one.
I used the dremel with a buffing wheel with no significant results.
Can you please, help me to find a bottom bracket or a usable spindle with the proper size?
Can you share if you have been in the same kind of situation how to find parts for old models that are maybe no longer produced?
See the pictures attached and let me know what you think.
Thanks,
Now, I am working on my other peugeot 86, an orient express and while I think I still can use the old bottom bracket; because of the condition of the spindle I would prefer to use a more modern and new bottom bracket. The problem I got is that because of what I believe is an unusual size (aprox. 133.5 mm) I have not been able to find one.
I used the dremel with a buffing wheel with no significant results.
Can you please, help me to find a bottom bracket or a usable spindle with the proper size?
Can you share if you have been in the same kind of situation how to find parts for old models that are maybe no longer produced?
See the pictures attached and let me know what you think.
Thanks,
03-19-13, 03:58 AM
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I have no clue where to source a spindle, is the BB Swiss, French or ? Velo-Orange makes a handy threadless BB but it maxes at 127mm.
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03-19-13, 05:45 AM
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id just use that one, it has some pitting but it sure doesnt look like its going anywhere
lots of times old bikeboom frames (fuji comes to mind) have really long spindles like that maybe you could pick one up cheap and just pillage the spindle then re-sell it
lots of times old bikeboom frames (fuji comes to mind) have really long spindles like that maybe you could pick one up cheap and just pillage the spindle then re-sell it
03-19-13, 06:12 AM
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Realize that spindle is crankset specific. So if you change the crankset, you will be able to go with a different length bb. Donor MTBs are cheap, I bought one a week ago for $5 that would have provided a nice crankset and bb, along with a myriad of other parts. Just don't get one with the cheap riveted crank.
Me, I toss spindles in that condition, but until you line up a replacement, I would not toss anything.
Me, I toss spindles in that condition, but until you line up a replacement, I would not toss anything.
03-19-13, 06:55 AM
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Mark the spindle to enable you to reinstall the crank such that you will be putting the most pressure on its best remaining surface.
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03-19-13, 07:02 AM
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I wouldn't use that spindle, it's really beat. After searching around & checking with a few of my suppliers it seems that a 127.5 is the longest spindle being made anymore, I would go with Bills suggestion & find a different crankset to use, it may take forever to track down a 133.5 spindle but in the meantime you could be riding the bike while you are looking if you want too keep it all original. Now would be a good time if you wanted to change the gearing also.
What crankset was on it BTW.
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What crankset was on it BTW.
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03-19-13, 07:31 AM
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How about this? It's made for motorized bike conversions, so it should screw right in. It says it's 131.5mm, you could probably shim the fixed cup side also to get it perfect.
https://www.sickbikeparts.com/catalog...nsqf1j7flkggt6
https://www.sickbikeparts.com/catalog...nsqf1j7flkggt6
03-19-13, 08:42 AM
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Yes, it is Japanese tange steel and English threads......
03-19-13, 08:46 AM
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I think the sick bike part is a good option...
03-19-13, 09:05 AM
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You may be able to get by with a shorter spindle. I'd reinstall the cranks on the existing spindle and see if you have room. Most of those old MTB's had plenty of room for a shorter spindle. I've got a Sugino BB on an old Fisher that I believe is about the length that you want and I could easily get away with a 127.
03-19-13, 09:19 AM
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I am not really trying to keep it all original but, since the rear hub is 126 mm. and I thought opening it to 130 mm. to use a modern wheelset and 10 speed cassette would create an unnecessary tension; I am replacing the old freewheel with a new 6 speed with the same cogs I believe 11-32. Then, keeping the derailleurs and the crankset I am replacing the chainrings from 28-38-48 to 26-36-46.
I am not pursuing to change the crankset and the length of the spindle because by doing it I believe I am going to move the chain line and I don't know if it would work. If you can explain me that making this changes wouldn't affect it significantly I'll really appreciate.
I am not pursuing to change the crankset and the length of the spindle because by doing it I believe I am going to move the chain line and I don't know if it would work. If you can explain me that making this changes wouldn't affect it significantly I'll really appreciate.
03-19-13, 09:25 AM
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If there is a bicycle cooperative near you, they probably have a box full of spindles to dig through. The one you have is usable. I would go with it until you can find a replacement.
03-19-13, 09:39 AM
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I don't see 3XL on Sheldons list-
https://sheldonbrown.com/bbsize.html
A 3U might work?
https://www.huskybicycles.com/Merchan..._Code=CrkParts
https://sheldonbrown.com/bbsize.html
A 3U might work?
https://www.huskybicycles.com/Merchan..._Code=CrkParts
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If you have the cartridge tool already, you'll get out cheap and easy with this one. I don't know how it is where you are, but there's no good co-op near me. Sometimes it pays to spend a few $$ to avoid aggravation and wasted time. I'd just measure twice to make sure of the spindle length as it appears to be an odd size.
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03-19-13, 05:16 PM
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I can't imagine that it would take such a long spindle. I've never heard of a cotterless crank that uses one that long. You're not including the threaded part of a nutted spindle, are you? The original is a Sugino. The non-original Sugino XD2 on mine takes a 113mm BB.
Mine is spread to 135mm to accept a modern hub.
https://mysite.verizon.net/imagelib/s...ient%20Express
Mine is spread to 135mm to accept a modern hub.
https://mysite.verizon.net/imagelib/s...ient%20Express
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Hello Grand Bois; for the modern hub you needed to spread the rear triangle I estimate some 4 mm. right? I've been thinking on this is necessary if I upgrade but, because I have not my own experience to compare I think that by spreading I would make the frame to become weak in some way and then I just try to find the parts that are closer in length to those I want to replace. Also, do you have more info from that magazine about the orient express, mine has a different handlebar and I've been thinking it is a 86 but, now not so sure.
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03-19-13, 09:57 PM
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Does this bike have one of the wider BB shells? A typical English threaded road bike was a nominal 68 mm shell. The other common size was, I think, 73 mm.
This may help explain why your bike has such a long spindle, which I can't explain by the asymmetry.
This may help explain why your bike has such a long spindle, which I can't explain by the asymmetry.
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I'd say to go with a 127mm cartridge BB unless there wasn't much clearance to the frame with the old BB.
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because it is still usable I'll assemble with the old spindle and then check for the clearance that maybe allows me to use a 127 in the future. Thanks,
03-20-13, 12:58 AM
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Hmmm, 133.5 - 127 = 6.5mm ; 6.5mm/2= 3.25mm is the reduction you have in clearance on the drive side to the chainstay. That's a lot! I sure hope you know what you're doing...
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I measured the spindle the way I've done with one you tight with bolts, compared to this that have bolts included and tight with nuts. And then, I measured the middle part just before the races 52 mm. one side was 42 mm. and the other a bit shorter at 39.5 mm. maybe just 39 mm. With this info, I have 2 more questions, how should I have measured and what size can I use as a substitute; I've also found a list of equivalents at sheldon's that I don't really understand.