ps: I know, about the elderberries. There's nothing I can do, it's genetic, from my father's side.
Last edited by Chicago Al; 02-16-14 at 11:28 AM.
I never think I have hit hard, unless it rebounds.
- Dr Samuel Johnson
Did anyone mention "Schwinn Paramount" in this thread? They're not nearly as bad as the word"Schwinn" would imply.
The 80s Nashbar bikes were pretty good. I still have my old Sport EX that came with Shimano 600 components and was built up with Ishiwata tubes. Very nice bike for the money. Can't imagine anyone spending moe than a C note on one now.
This is the trade in bike, and the auction bike was the same paint scheme, but a Cyclart repaint.
Last edited by Bikedued; 02-16-14 at 10:57 PM.
I'm thinking more like Schwinn Super Sport or a mid '80s or later Le Tour for something less exotic and less pricey. Paramounts are usually better known and sought after.
"I never lost a race because my bike was too heavy".......George Mount
Lotus, Shogun and Centurion's.
Last edited by DVC45; 02-17-14 at 12:30 AM.
I want the saddle?,,,,BD
Waterfords are underrated and don't go used for near what they should.
1999 Waterford RSE-11, 1995 Waterford 1200, 1989 Specialized Rockhopper Comp
1989 Raleigh Technium, 1989 Schwinn Traveler, 1986 Specialized Rockhopper
1984 Specialized Stumpjumper, 1986 Specialized Stumpjumper and just way too many projects to list.
I'm biased, but I like my Suburban. It's unpretentious, nicely finished, and with its fenders, northroads and sprung mattress saddle, well-suited to it's intended purpose as a neighborhood cruiser for (ahem) mature riders. - Not unlike a Raleigh Sports in a way (and weighing almost as much).
I don't consider it an "under the radar" bike though. There is still a good demand for these bikes BECAUSE of their audience and especially the Schwinn name.
from another volume based company, a vote for the Panasonic Team series of bikes
However, around the rest of the country, when I look at craigslist search engines, Centurions seem to be much more reasonably priced.....so maybe it's just here on the west coast.
STEVE WHITLATCH; I just noticed the thread about Cyclone being mid level shifting...there wasn't any difference between the Cyclone and the Superbe, they used exactly the same mechanicals with the Superbe using stiffer knuckles, wider parallelogram plates and stainless steel pivot pins...changes 99% of the users couldn't even feel, those Cyclones shifted far better than any other top of the line component manufacture made including Campy Record. The Cyclone wasn't even close to mid level, more like top of the line in the world with Superbe being a tad better than that! Heck the true "mid level" derailleur was the V series and those performed better than any other top of the line component manufacture product.
So whoever told you that Cyclone was mid level stuff needed their head examined.
Add to that needing heads examined comment the Prelude using the Tenax tubing was Columbus SL tubing which was good stuff, not the best in the racing world of steel but really nice stuff in the consumer market. The tubeset and fork weighed around 5.4 pounds. I have Tenax tubing on my Le Tour Luxe which was the best touring tubeset Schwinn offered on their best Voyager line of touring bikes, my touring bike weighs 25 pounds, but the Prelude with a lighter frame and components than mine weighed 24 pounds which isn't bad at all for the time period. I would say that frame is high mid level frame not mid level. The higher level Tempo used the same exact frame as your Prelude but weighed 2 pounds less...the weight savings came from the fork being cromoly instead of high tensile steel, wheels and components the frame/fork had the same weight.
The Super Sport for years was just a mid level bike for year, but Schwinn liked to do weird things so in 85 they jazzed the crap out of your bike and dropped the weight from 26.5 to 24 the previous year of yours then to 22 pounds for yours, and it's a beautiful bike...but it has the Tenax frame just as your Prelude has! The fork is same as the Tempo but with a different crown. 85 was a weird year for Schwinn, I have a 85 Le Tour Luxe and they did the same thing, jazzed it up, it has the same frame as the next step up Voyager had but had the same components as the higher level Voyager SP, again the weight difference of one pound between the Le Tour Luxe and the Voyagers is the fork except mine came out of the factory with 40 spoke wheels all around instead of the spec'd 40 rear and 36 front like the Voyagers and mine was suppose to have, plus they used double butted spokes all around which they didn't do with the Voyagers. So the Voyagers ended up being only a pound lighter than mine. The touring frames used Tenax Columbus SP which was thicker tubing then the SL for more weight carrying capacity.
Sorry a little rambling about the history, I'm not sure if it's 100% correct but at least is close enough.
Edit: And I'd have to say Tempos and Super Sports are still semi under the radar.. if all us Tenax owners could just keep our mouths shut!
Last edited by RaleighSport; 02-18-14 at 07:03 PM.
“Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.”
― Ralph Waldo Emerson, Emerson in His Journals
@ rekmeyata, Cyclone was the TOTL for a generation or 2, before they developed Superbe as the higher than TOTL. So Superbe was better than the best. And Superbe Pro was even better.
If you scan down a bit you'll read this bit of history:
"According to an old Bicycling! article from the mid-80s, Tenax was
essentially the same as SP (had the same wall thicknesses, etc.) but had
looser quality controls. So it was double butted seamless Cyclex (sp?)
steel. I think Schwinn bought all of it/was the exclusive user of it. Any
frame from made of Tenax should be pretty stout, especially in smaller
I've read a lot of stuff on forums in regards to this, and there was some years ago a guy who use to be one of the heads of Schwinn commented on a forum said the same basic thing as I quoted above.
And VeloBase has this: http://www.velobase.com/ViewFramePar...c-896abd64ba6f
And then there's this: http://mauisvintage.blogspot.com/201...-revealed.html
My understanding from an old Schwinn store owner was that Tenax used Columbus SL and SP depending on the bike, the touring bikes got the SP, and the racing road bikes got the SL with the exception being larger sized racing bikes got the SP too.
Schwinn did the same thing Trek did in the 80's, Schwinn sourced out to Columbus to have a tubeset built for them exclusively for a slight discount than the branded Columbus SL or SL; Trek did the same thing with the Reynolds 531cs, cs was only sold by Trek for slight discount, although after Trek stopped using it there was some inventory left and some custom builders used it...the same thing happened to Tenax.
So I tend to think and believe that it was indeed Columbus SL or SP.