raverson

Very nice mid 80's Miyata 1000 in SF

CL Miyata 1000

USAZorro

Not a bad deal. Too bad the seller qualifies for the other thread by calling the bike aluminum though.

Lamplight

Yeah I noticed that. I wish he had more pictures.

nlerner

Well, I was the lucky high bidder on that Raleigh Super Course (thank you, Auction Sniper, given that I was flying from Philadelphia to Boston at the time the auction ended). I'll post some pics once it arrives.

Neal

Lamplight

Ah, congratulations! Can't wait to see better pictures. I need to start using ebay...

colinm

https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/bik/145460927.html

First I'd heard of Osell, fantastic lugs, though curiously the seat cluster isn't symmetrical.

bigbossman 

A little expensive, but very pretty:

Raleigh Super Course

* jack *

This guy has lots of cool bikes.
If you're near Raleigh you should give him a call.

https://raleigh.craigslist.org/bik/146035754.html

Little Darwin

A 1960 Schwinn 8 speed on eBay...

https://cgi.ebay.com/Schwinn-Varsity-...QQcmdZViewItem

Blue Order

Vintage Chinese Pedicab

e-RICHIE

my masi is listed on ebay:
https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...ayphotohosting

mattface 

Now that is just sad. I hope somebody buys that and rides the snot out of it

Not really. I understand the desire to preserve history, but I also think many concourse restorations go overboard. A concourse restoration should look like the day it left the bike shop, not better, and I have to think that bike looks better than the original. Is this a revisionist history in which paint doesn't scratch when bolts are tightened to proper spec against it?

I have the greatest respect for you e-Richie as a frame building god, but a difference of opinion about how history should be preserved. In my opinion a bicycle like that should be kept in rideable condition, and protected as well as possible while still allowing for it to be ridden occasionally, so that we can be reminded what a bicycle like that was really like to ride, and not just to look at. Bicycles are not static works of art, they are kinetic ones. Their beauty derives directly from their ability to transport us quickly and gracefully, and not in their ability to reflect light while leaned against a wall.

It IS a spectacularly gorgeous bike, ad I'm glad you restored it regardless. Lucky for you I can't afford it, because I would ride the snot out of it

e-RICHIE

nice.
first of all - the word is concours, not concourse.
second of all - wrt to how it looks and the specs that were
held for the restoration, wtf are you talking about? do you
know this bicycle, or this project, and have you seen the
work first hand?
third, etc. - how can you have an opinion about how a restored
bicycle should have been kept if you never saw the pile of ****
i had when i first received all this circa 1991?
and fourth - this bicycle is in ridable condition. it's just that
i don't ride it. why? because this was mainly a historical/art
project more than anything else. i am not a vintage buff and
have no desire to use dated stuff. plus - i have a bicycle to ride.
having more than one at a time is something i've never had.
okay - thanks!

mattface 

Relax it's just a simple difference of opinion. and see my edit above I apparently posted just as you were posting your response. My understanding of Councours restorations (however you spell it) is that the restored artifact should look exactly as it would have when it left the factory, and that includes any faults that were common in the factory workmanship, but that restorers often go overboard, and make them better than new. Your description of not fully torquing the bolts in order to preserve the paint strikes me as that kind of overkill.

There is room for every kind of restoration, I happen to prefer a minimal approach to restoration where the least possible work is done. The scratches in the original paint are their own kind of history. No I don't know what condition that bike was in when you got it, and I certainly don't fault you for having done such a beautiful restoration. Still it makes me a little sad to see such a beautiful bike sit immobile for so long.

I do have more than one bike to ride, and I've never ridden anything BUT outdated technology, because I've never been able to afford the latest and greatest. One thing I have discovered is that well made bikes are always a joy to ride wether they are 30 years old or 1. Of course there is room for every type of restoration, and more than one opinion about restoration. I'm happy when history is preserved wether it be static or kinetic history. I'm not a bicycle historian, nor have I been anywhere near as involved in the industry as you have. I've never touched anything like that beautiful old Masi or one of your frames for that matter, so take my opinion for what it's worth.

I am very happy that you did that restoration, and that there is a bicycle like that in this world. It does make me a little sad to think it will never be ridden again. I know it's silly, but in a way I believe bicycles have souls and they want to be ridden.

e-RICHIE

okay - thanks!

e-RICHIE

i posted my reply before you editted your original.
fwiw - i am the one, the one, that took the rare 71 masi art and scanned
it from the frame, and had it digitized and corrected, so that this set, a set
that has been out of the mainstream for 30 plus years, could exist again in a
pc file. ah - the irony; mr. masi now uses our regenerated art for restorations
that he performs in milan, since his eponymous firm tossed the decal screens
in the mid 70. alas, some good come from the project.
as far as this goes:
"I know it's silly, but in a way I believe bicycles have souls and they want to be ridden."
this soul stuff is debated all the time. i make these things
and have surrounded my life with their history. i know them
inside and out. several of them have told me that they really
appreciate being appreciated rather than taken out in dodgy
weather or by folks that are out of shape. bicycles have soul
and they can talk too!

mattface 

Yeah I think it's really cool that you did that restoration, and even cooler that in doing so, you paved the way for others to restore more Masi of the same period. I'm sorry that I let my initial emotional response overshadow the fact that I'm really impressed with the restoration.

I wasn't really interested in debating the idea that bicycles have souls, because I know it's an absurd position, but I can't help but feel it any way. You DO bring up an interesting point. I wonder if my Raleigh Technium winter beater resents it's lot in life. being taken out and ridden in sub zero temperatures with salt creeping into it's bearings, and water freezing in the cable housings. It's a tough life, but even so it's way better off than a lot of the poor neglected bikes I see being ridden with no lube on their rusty old chains, 11 pounds of air in the tires, and brakes so far out of adjustment they can't stop on a hill. At least my poor workhorse gets cleaned lubed and adjusted from time to time, and even if it is the poor stepchild at least it gets the hand me down parts from it's evil stepsisters.

luker

ya know...if $5000 fell in my lap, with no place else that needed it, I'd be hard torn to decide whether to buy that Masi or to buy that Sachs that I've always wanted...

Blue Order

26" Gitane TDF

Blue Order

Pre-WWII cruiser

lotek 

So e-RICHIE what about the other masi?
there were to right? atmo cery
marty

e-RICHIE

yeah -
there are two.
twins.
a pair.
the other is a 54cm.
it's leaning against the wall!

lotek 

oh geez just my size. . . .
please don't sell that one
I'd have to jump in the fray atmo.

marty

CV-6 

NO NO It's mine. I saw it first!!!!

mattface 

Why does it matter what size it is?