I hate summer
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Every lane is a bike lane


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I hate summer
Right now the hoons are taking over the city after that stupid car race last weekend. Next we'll have Schoolies' Week, then the hordes of tourists will arrive in December, and it's perpetually 34 degrees C, even during the evening summer storms.
I hate this time of year.
I hate this time of year.
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Every lane is a bike lane


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Nah, Canberra is a great place to go cycling. Lots of on road cycling lanes and the motorists around here are pretty considerate of cyclists. The night life is the same as anywhere, maybe just more compact.
Regards, Anthony
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As far as I can see, they already have in Hobart and Launceston. I spoke to someone when I was down there back in December, he told me that the place he bought a couple of years earlier for $90,000 was now valued at $425,000. That said, it isn't exactly cheap up here either.
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Yep seen it before... all the cashed-up mainlanders come down, inflate the prices, spend a couple of nasty winters there, miss the "culture", get frustrated when the locals don't "do it the way we do it in Sydney/Melbourne/wherever" (the very reason why they moved south).... then decide it's not for them, try to sell up, and find they can't at their original prices. A property glut occurs and it takes about five years for the State to get back to the same real estate activity as the rest of the country. I think I've seen five cycles now...
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Hmmm... so the moves are more an escape from the ramifications of so-called climate change, rather than making a contribution to the solution to the problem created in their own environment. My way of looking at it is... they simply want to transfer their lifestyles from the big city to a little city or State, with the inherent difficulties those lifestyles bring.
Environment has always been at the top of the agenda of most people who move to Tasmania from the mainland, and particularly big cities. Clean air and water, lots of bush, great place to bring up kids, etc etc etc. And yes, Hobart has been the only Australian capital city regarded as not having to worry about long-term water issues. Toss in the perceived opportunity to make a real estate killing by buying up cheap and selling rich (as per Chris L's observations) and the temptations are irresistable.
But environment wears thin pretty quickly for most people, and the "small-mindedness" of Tasmanians (and the few who successfully make the transition), usually sends the nouveau-riche mainlanders rushing back after two or three winters. That lack of culture -- whether it be music venues, pubs, museums, casinos or even tourist facilities -- becomes almost unbearable. Some set up business and fail dismally because their markets are unsustainable. The three-monthly trips to the mainland to "revitalise" with family and friends also become tiresome -- quite literally, you cannot drive to another State or capital city like you can on the mainland for a change of scenery, and the airlines don't run like they do between Melbourne and Sydney.
The trouble is... the investment capital is rarely recovered when the decision is made to return to the mainland, and in addition, as property buyers, those individuals or families have been left behind and cannot buy their way back in even to their original suburbs. What they do leave behind in Tasmania is a depressed property market, and a bad taste in the mouths of locals who have been lampooned and pilloried in the meantime.
Environment has always been at the top of the agenda of most people who move to Tasmania from the mainland, and particularly big cities. Clean air and water, lots of bush, great place to bring up kids, etc etc etc. And yes, Hobart has been the only Australian capital city regarded as not having to worry about long-term water issues. Toss in the perceived opportunity to make a real estate killing by buying up cheap and selling rich (as per Chris L's observations) and the temptations are irresistable.
But environment wears thin pretty quickly for most people, and the "small-mindedness" of Tasmanians (and the few who successfully make the transition), usually sends the nouveau-riche mainlanders rushing back after two or three winters. That lack of culture -- whether it be music venues, pubs, museums, casinos or even tourist facilities -- becomes almost unbearable. Some set up business and fail dismally because their markets are unsustainable. The three-monthly trips to the mainland to "revitalise" with family and friends also become tiresome -- quite literally, you cannot drive to another State or capital city like you can on the mainland for a change of scenery, and the airlines don't run like they do between Melbourne and Sydney.
The trouble is... the investment capital is rarely recovered when the decision is made to return to the mainland, and in addition, as property buyers, those individuals or families have been left behind and cannot buy their way back in even to their original suburbs. What they do leave behind in Tasmania is a depressed property market, and a bad taste in the mouths of locals who have been lampooned and pilloried in the meantime.
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Hmmm... so the moves are more an escape from the ramifications of so-called climate change, rather than making a contribution to the solution to the problem created in their own environment. My way of looking at it is... they simply want to transfer their lifestyles from the big city to a little city or State, with the inherent difficulties those lifestyles bring.
Environment has always been at the top of the agenda of most people who move to Tasmania from the mainland, and particularly big cities. Clean air and water, lots of bush, great place to bring up kids, etc etc etc. And yes, Hobart has been the only Australian capital city regarded as not having to worry about long-term water issues. Toss in the perceived opportunity to make a real estate killing by buying up cheap and selling rich (as per Chris L's observations) and the temptations are irresistable.
Environment has always been at the top of the agenda of most people who move to Tasmania from the mainland, and particularly big cities. Clean air and water, lots of bush, great place to bring up kids, etc etc etc. And yes, Hobart has been the only Australian capital city regarded as not having to worry about long-term water issues. Toss in the perceived opportunity to make a real estate killing by buying up cheap and selling rich (as per Chris L's observations) and the temptations are irresistable.
A total lack of net population increase over the last 20 years or so is the only thing that's really preserved Hobart's environment. I hear people telling me that "everyone's going to move there" in a few years as if that's supposed to be a good thing. All that does is make me wonder whether there would really be any point going down there if everyone else is just going to bring their problems along.
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You should try Perth then ... wind and more wind .... always seems to be head winds.
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You should try Perth then ... wind and more wind .... always seems to be head winds.

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Or more precisely your direction of travel :-) If you ride south in the morning and north in the avro you are more likely to be okay, that is true. However that assumes that there is no easterly which are common over the summer. Side winds impact on nearly everyone, whether going north or south, unless of course you are only riding towards the west but that might mean a bit of swimming 
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Of course, you are correct about the afternoons, that dreaded (for some of us anyway Fremantle Doctor) comes in from the southwest as evident at https://www.bom.gov.au/climate/averag...d/wrsum3.shtml.
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This wind business always amused me... when I was planning my Perth-Adelaide trip I was told on more than one occasion that I would always have tailwinds and I was choosing the best direction. Well, things didn't transpire that way, and as I moved closer to the Bight, southerly and south-easterly seabreezes became the norm. I remember one day when I put in only about 40km into a strong headwind. Needless to say, the people who were the experts on wind never rode bicycles.
Oddly, I cannot really remember many major problems with wind while I lived in Perth. The Doctor is very similar, however, to the summer seabreezes that come up the Derwent Estuary in Hobart, getting to 25 knots on occasions, and funnelling on up through the valleys to the north. That can be "fun", battling through those headwinds heading home. Good for sailing though!!
Oddly, I cannot really remember many major problems with wind while I lived in Perth. The Doctor is very similar, however, to the summer seabreezes that come up the Derwent Estuary in Hobart, getting to 25 knots on occasions, and funnelling on up through the valleys to the north. That can be "fun", battling through those headwinds heading home. Good for sailing though!!
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This wind business always amused me... when I was planning my Perth-Adelaide trip I was told on more than one occasion that I would always have tailwinds and I was choosing the best direction. Well, things didn't transpire that way, and as I moved closer to the Bight, southerly and south-easterly seabreezes became the norm. I remember one day when I put in only about 40km into a strong headwind. Needless to say, the people who were the experts on wind never rode bicycles.
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I am not so sure. Easterlies are pretty common here in the summer, reflective of the land heating up. Take a look at https://www.bom.gov.au/climate/averag...d/wrsum9.shtml which shows the prevailing morning winds.
Of course, you are correct about the afternoons, that dreaded (for some of us anyway Fremantle Doctor) comes in from the southwest as evident at https://www.bom.gov.au/climate/averag...d/wrsum3.shtml.
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Of course, you are correct about the afternoons, that dreaded (for some of us anyway Fremantle Doctor) comes in from the southwest as evident at https://www.bom.gov.au/climate/averag...d/wrsum3.shtml.
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