I miss Tyler Hamilton
#26
Pure Joy Rider
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Wash DC
Posts: 146
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by Laggard
There are reports that Tyler and Millar bowl together twice a week.
#27
Guest
Posts: n/a
Mentioned: Post(s)
Tagged: Thread(s)
Quoted: Post(s)
Originally Posted by SunSwingsLow
Didnt he test positive at the olympics but the other sample was destroyed or something so they couldnt confirm the positive test. Then shortly there after he tests positive again, and this time the other sample is still intact.
Hes a doper and the sport has no room for it or him. End of story.
Hes a doper and the sport has no room for it or him. End of story.
#28
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: NYC
Posts: 902
Bikes: Seven Cycles Odonata
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
the deal was with the olympics that the first sample was tested as clean
but then somebody went back and re-tested. and one of the two samples which was retested came up +, and the other one was destroyed. that was why he got to keep the gold. i think that is pretty close to accurate. it seems that somebody was after tyler, regardless of whether he was clean or not. i bleieve he was accused of taking oxygenated blood transfusions? sorry but i'm really not clear on the specifics of the "steroids" or blood, or whatever these guys do to get an edge.
but then somebody went back and re-tested. and one of the two samples which was retested came up +, and the other one was destroyed. that was why he got to keep the gold. i think that is pretty close to accurate. it seems that somebody was after tyler, regardless of whether he was clean or not. i bleieve he was accused of taking oxygenated blood transfusions? sorry but i'm really not clear on the specifics of the "steroids" or blood, or whatever these guys do to get an edge.
#29
Guest
Posts: n/a
Mentioned: Post(s)
Tagged: Thread(s)
Quoted: Post(s)
Originally Posted by Monument Man
the deal was with the olympics that the first sample was tested as clean
but then somebody went back and re-tested. and one of the two samples which was retested came up +, and the other one was destroyed. that was why he got to keep the gold. i think that is pretty close to accurate. it seems that somebody was after tyler, regardless of whether he was clean or not. i bleieve he was accused of taking oxygenated blood transfusions? sorry but i'm really not clear on the specifics of the "steroids" or blood, or whatever these guys do to get an edge.
but then somebody went back and re-tested. and one of the two samples which was retested came up +, and the other one was destroyed. that was why he got to keep the gold. i think that is pretty close to accurate. it seems that somebody was after tyler, regardless of whether he was clean or not. i bleieve he was accused of taking oxygenated blood transfusions? sorry but i'm really not clear on the specifics of the "steroids" or blood, or whatever these guys do to get an edge.
He is accused and convicted of blood doping, taking blood transfusions to boost his red blood cell count. Because there are no drugs involved, it is difficult to detect, unless you transfuse from another person, then you see two different DNAs by tests. Some riders do this by taking blood out in training, then putting it back in months later before a race, but this does temporarily weaken. Hamilton took the easy and dangerous way and took in someone else's blood.
Other guys take EPO (erythropoeitin), a hormone that boosts red blood cells, and can be detected at high levels.
Why this is bad: transfusions from another person are dangerous, especially since that other blood was not likely tested for viruses. EPO in excess or too many red blood cells can couse blood thickening and lead to stroke.
#30
Photog Extraordinaire
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Cincinnati, OH
Posts: 863
Bikes: Santa Cruz Chameleon, Cannondale R800 (CAAD4) with Dura-Ace upgrade
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
If you miss him, he's going to be on some show with Gumbel on HBO Tuesday night at 10 o'clock EST. Proclaiming his innocence of course.
I guess they're not going to release that Omnimax movie they shot during the '03 Tour now? I haven't heard anything about that. Man, they've got to be pi$$ed. Those movies are freaking exspensive to shoot.
I guess they're not going to release that Omnimax movie they shot during the '03 Tour now? I haven't heard anything about that. Man, they've got to be pi$$ed. Those movies are freaking exspensive to shoot.
#31
I am a lonely visitor
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Where even Richard Nixon has got soul
Posts: 2,630
Bikes: Michelle Pfieffer, the Carbon Fiber Wonder Bike: A Kestrel 200 SCI Repainted in glorious mango; Old Paintless, A Litespeed Obed; The Bike With No Name: A Bianchi Eros; RegularBike: A Parkpre Comp Ltd rebuilt as a singlespeed.
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time
in
1 Post
I miss tyler...
and his evil twin.
The man was hella tough, whether he doped or not. I admire his toughness. I don't respect any athlete who dopes.
What a waste.
and his evil twin.
The man was hella tough, whether he doped or not. I admire his toughness. I don't respect any athlete who dopes.
What a waste.
__________________
Religion is a good thing for good people and a bad thing for bad people. --H. Richard Niebuhr
Religion is a good thing for good people and a bad thing for bad people. --H. Richard Niebuhr
#32
Spinning like a gerbel
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Silicon Valley
Posts: 7,960
Bikes: Seven
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 4 Times
in
2 Posts
Originally Posted by Laggard
There are reports that Tyler and Millar bowl together twice a week.
#33
One day at a time
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Redmond, WA
Posts: 643
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
There was an interesting article about the state of drug testing in sports (and the possible future) in Outside magazine last month. It talked a bit about Tyler and his tests. Here it is for those who are interested.
https://outside.away.com/outside/feat...-sports-1.html
https://outside.away.com/outside/feat...-sports-1.html
#35
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Northern Neck Tidewater Va.
Posts: 1,688
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by H2OChick
There was an interesting article about the state of drug testing in sports (and the possible future) in Outside magazine last month. It talked a bit about Tyler and his tests. Here it is for those who are interested.
https://outside.away.com/outside/feat...-sports-1.html
https://outside.away.com/outside/feat...-sports-1.html
If he's guilty then he should be kicked out, but I'm still sorry he seemed like a neat guy. If he's not I'm real sorry he has to put up with this. The idea in the end of that article might work here they would monitor each person and only if they deviated from their normal would there be a problem.
Joe
#36
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 583
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by joeprim
But if he is why keep paying the lawyer?
Lord knows why they believe it.
#37
Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Southern California
Posts: 1,377
Bikes: Colnago Altain, Klein Pulse II, Stumpjumper FSR, GT Zaskar LE, Pedalforce RS2
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by DocRay
About the "vanishing twin" idea. Yes, this is a theoretical possiblity for the mixed blood that led to the TH banning. There are lots of legitimate explanations for why mixed blood could appear to look like blood doping. And back in April, I though Hamilton was being given a raw deal, and that he would soon be exonerated, BUT, there is a reliable way to test for this concept that Hamilton could be a genetic chimera (rare, but does happen).
Hamilton will not consent to have these tests done. If he is a genetic chimera, he could prove it, but he won't.
And now, his blog is just questioning everything else about the WADA not related to his case, arguing that if they made a past mistake, they did the same to him. This is cheap lawyer talk and diversion. I supported this guy, but I can't say I respect him any more. He's arguing like a guilty person now.
Hamilton will not consent to have these tests done. If he is a genetic chimera, he could prove it, but he won't.
And now, his blog is just questioning everything else about the WADA not related to his case, arguing that if they made a past mistake, they did the same to him. This is cheap lawyer talk and diversion. I supported this guy, but I can't say I respect him any more. He's arguing like a guilty person now.
Another parallel theory presented by his legal team is that Phonak was a victim of extortion. This was being argued at the same time as the "unborn Twin" theory was being presented. The extortion claimed that Santiago and Tyler would both prove positive if they didn't hand over a large amount of money.
The facts remain:
Tyler was contacted by the UCI earlier in the year for testing with suspiciously high hematocrit levels. This occurred a few months before the Olympics. I had read that Blood doping is often used to mask the indicators of EPO and high hematocrit.
Tyler needs to graciously walk away while his reputation is still intact. His work with his foundation will be more effective. He he continues to insult the intelligence of the cycling industry his last remaining asset--his marketability will be lost and credibility of his non-profit foundation will be tarnished.
#38
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 583
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by squeegy200
I had read that Blood doping is often used to mask the indicators of EPO and high hematocrit.
#39
Cheers!
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Woodinville
Posts: 1,284
Bikes: Scott Addict R15, Cadd 9
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by squeegy200
The unborn twin theory insulted my intelligence. Does he think we're stupid? How do you explain Santiago Perez as having the exact same results at the same time on the same team? How do you challenge the accuracy of the testing procedures when NO ONE else in the professional peloton has tested positive for the same blood test?
Another parallel theory presented by his legal team is that Phonak was a victim of extortion. This was being argued at the same time as the "unborn Twin" theory was being presented. The extortion claimed that Santiago and Tyler would both prove positive if they didn't hand over a large amount of money.
The facts remain:
Tyler was contacted by the UCI earlier in the year for testing with suspiciously high hematocrit levels. This occurred a few months before the Olympics. I had read that Blood doping is often used to mask the indicators of EPO and high hematocrit.
Tyler needs to graciously walk away while his reputation is still intact. His work with his foundation will be more effective. He he continues to insult the intelligence of the cycling industry his last remaining asset--his marketability will be lost and credibility of his non-profit foundation will be tarnished.
Another parallel theory presented by his legal team is that Phonak was a victim of extortion. This was being argued at the same time as the "unborn Twin" theory was being presented. The extortion claimed that Santiago and Tyler would both prove positive if they didn't hand over a large amount of money.
The facts remain:
Tyler was contacted by the UCI earlier in the year for testing with suspiciously high hematocrit levels. This occurred a few months before the Olympics. I had read that Blood doping is often used to mask the indicators of EPO and high hematocrit.
Tyler needs to graciously walk away while his reputation is still intact. His work with his foundation will be more effective. He he continues to insult the intelligence of the cycling industry his last remaining asset--his marketability will be lost and credibility of his non-profit foundation will be tarnished.
__________________
#40
Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Someplace trying to figure it out
Posts: 10,664
Bikes: Cannondale EVO, CAAD9, Giant cross bike.
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 67 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 7 Times
in
6 Posts
Originally Posted by roadgator
i would have loved to see a CLEAN tyler hamilton mix it in the tour this year. but since he has been convicted (the fact that his legal team has made unsuccesful apeals doesn't mean it was just simple allegations. HE IS GUILTY) of doping he can watchc it on tv and wring his hands over how dumb he was for all i care.
BTW...it's spelled "appeals"...
The stuff you read....
You also forgot to tell us that Lance dopes, too...eveyone knows this, they just have not caught him... Everybody in pro cycling dopes. Everyone out here knows this. It's been discussed ad nauseum.
#41
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 583
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by roadwarrior
It's been discussed ad nauseum.
I might as well ask now, what drugs were in the bodies of the GC contenders during today's stage?
#42
raodmaster shaman
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: G-ville
Posts: 1,431
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by roadwarrior
So I suppose we can assume that everyone else who has been accused and went to court and lost definitely did it...OK
BTW...it's spelled "appeals"...
The stuff you read....
You also forgot to tell us that Lance dopes, too...eveyone knows this, they just have not caught him... Everybody in pro cycling dopes. Everyone out here knows this. It's been discussed ad nauseum.
BTW...it's spelled "appeals"...
The stuff you read....
You also forgot to tell us that Lance dopes, too...eveyone knows this, they just have not caught him... Everybody in pro cycling dopes. Everyone out here knows this. It's been discussed ad nauseum.
#43
Retro-nerd
I liked it when Tyler finished the tour with a broken shoulder.