kludge

i have a few questions for you. can you pm me? thanks.

Ready to Ruck

here's one I'd like to pose;
where can I get nonleather toe straps?

evanyc

cinelli makes non-leather straps that are apparently available through EAI. ask your local shop to try and order em for you.

same time

Pretty sure I've still got some old nylon ones, I'd be happy to send them to you.

mattface 

Any LBS. They're the woven fabric straps used for MTB clips. They are cheap, and damn near indestructible.

LóFarkas

I destroyed one every 6 months. They don't like the friction between my wide shoes and the crankarm. They also have a tendency to wear at the buckle (?) so they're always a touch looser (or tighter) than you'd like. Of course, the strap always snapped finally when I was hopping a curb... had a few dodgy landings. Of course, that's not gonna happen to you if you're not as cheap as I am.

BTW, I'm really curious what the secret vegan questions are that can't be shouted out here. Oh well, I'll never know. I eat cuddly animals all the time.

KrisPistofferson

I am too, especially since it is obviously a fixed gear related query, as well, apparently.

tink20seven

me too...
have any of you heard of these "freegan" people

get this -
you live as a vegan, following all the do's and don'ts,
but if someone obtains the meat products for free, it's okay to eat it.

so as long as your eggs or dairy or ground ****ing meat, is either given away, stolen, or found in a dumpster IT'S OKAY TO EAT????
cheap ass, dirty mother ****ing, wannabe anarchy loving, punks!

WTF is with these people?
I call shenanigans?

seriously though, have you heard of this?

KirbyxKamikaze

I was freegan for a good while, i didn't do the whole meat thing, but if it was free, and not meat, I would eat it. Poor college kids unite. Its easy, its keeps you relatively healthy, and its a really good way to get into veganism if you are interested.

Some people are into freeganism because they don't want to support corporate blah blah and feel that they should only eat vegetables and what not unless they basically steal the ****.

Others believe in positive animal treatment, obviously, I don't think i've ever met a freegan who ate meat though, unless they were unbelievably poor, but that was in Ann Arbour.

Freegan Info

evanyc

haha i was explaining freeganism to a friend the other night. basically, people who are freegan don't want to support the meat and dairy industry, but they also think it's wrong for meat and diary products to go to waste so if it's between something being tossed and them eating it, they'll eat it. this means eating people's eftovers if they are going t toss them, eating dumpstered food... most people i know who consider themselves "freegan" don't eat meat regardless, but will eat stuff with eggs and dairy in it.

MDRawk

I have heard of this. But all the Freegans i know are strict vegan and wouldn't eat meat if they found it for free. Besides, it is just as easy to steal the hell out of the Whole Foods.
ANd JESUS tap dancing christ! WHo the hell would eat meat out of a dumpster!?!?!

shawnrock@gmail

I've heard of freegans that eat roadkill.

KirbyxKamikaze

props.

KrisPistofferson

Never met a freegan who ate meat, either. I think it's more of an acknowledgement of where your money is going than what you are wearing. If you find a good pair of Adidas shoes in the dumpster, none of your money is going to support what you consider to a cruelty-based industry, so why not wear them? It's a fairly interesting way to live off the inherent wastefulness and wealth of modern American culture, without monetarily supporting companies you consider "immoral." Never had a problem with the Freegans, especially since they taught me everything I know about dumpster-diving. You can eat pretty well just from dumpster-diving if you're resourceful enough. I knnow this shocks some people, but it's really a matter of societal conditioning and what you're used to, more than dumpster-divers doing anything "wrong." Think about it.

As long as you go to the grocery store and college campus dumpsters, and don't eat the hepatitis-laden Big Macs, you can do pretty well...

queerpunk

"freegan" is a pretty vague word. it can refer to people who will eat whatever, provided that they find/scavenge/dumpster it, or that it's free in other ways. it can also refer to a vegan who will bend the rules (which can vary person to person) if it's free in some way. or it can refer to somebody who eats solely from scavenging/dumpstering.

think it's not possible?

ever look inside a Trader Joe's dumpster?

it is heaven, especially if you're traveling.

tink20seven

yeah no thanks
i'll pass

queerpunk

you'll pass? okay. yeah, people i know have called dumpster food gross before.

...then they've tasted my cooking.

mcatano

+1000000

thelung

I only dumpster vegan food myself, and a lot of us care about reducing waste as much as getting free food. Once you see how much good food is thrown out, it will probably really annoy you.

Yoshi

Mostly it's psychological. Let's say you went to a bagel store just as they were closing and asked them for a bag full of the bagels they were going to throw out. Now let's say you went to a bagel store just after they closed and found a garbage bag full of bagels.

Is there really any difference?

chuck_norris

At a vegan festival on campus this past Wednesday, the freegans were heckling the vegan speakers.

It was great.

FXjohn

The gross part is it's in a festering dumpster and probably touching other garbage?

queerpunk

it doesn't sound like you're speaking from experience.

i have a friend who works in trader joe's. they gather the stock that they're throwing out, put it into bags, and throw it out. this is common place. i mean, i've snarked shreds from pizza dumpsters and ****, where yeah, sometimes you have to pick around trash, but the most of dumpstered food is simply unsellable food, in plastic bags, in a big metal box in a parking lot.

KirbyxKamikaze

+1

evanyc

i ate dumpstered sushi once, haha. i was a bit worried about it, but it was the stuff in the little boxes that grocery stores have. we were on tour and hit this dumster right after the place closed, and there was a big bag full of the individual sushi trays. they were still cold so we tried em out and they turned out to be delish. this was when i still ate fish