Should the flaws of Mid-range locks be exposed?
03-09-06, 05:10 PM
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Should the flaws of Mid-range locks be exposed?
A journalist has done independent tests to review midrange locks, he found many were totally worthless ****. However he is wondering if he ought to publish this and how he detailed he ought to be.
Any thoughts?
Any thoughts?
03-09-06, 05:14 PM
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many tests like this have already been published in "Cycling Plus" and "Sold Secure"
allanbikehouston will be along shortly to tell you this.
then he'll say something nice about ABUS locks.
and then say that Bic pen unlocking is a myth.
a flamewar will ensue.
allanbikehouston will be along shortly to tell you this.
then he'll say something nice about ABUS locks.
and then say that Bic pen unlocking is a myth.
a flamewar will ensue.
03-09-06, 05:16 PM
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nothing is more annoying than to hear on a news special something about how "meth can be made using this, this, this, and some common household items"... it's totally better to just broadcast the recipe and step by step cooking instructions.
i guess picking bikelocks is a different thing than meth... i think a certain level of awareness should be published, that way people know what is safe, what isn't safe, and can judge accordingly where/when/how to lock their bikes. crooks adapt anyhow, so the secrets will be old and obsolete in a matter of weeks anyhow as soon as they find a new backdoor to crowbar open.
i guess picking bikelocks is a different thing than meth... i think a certain level of awareness should be published, that way people know what is safe, what isn't safe, and can judge accordingly where/when/how to lock their bikes. crooks adapt anyhow, so the secrets will be old and obsolete in a matter of weeks anyhow as soon as they find a new backdoor to crowbar open.
03-09-06, 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by dolface
security through obscurity doesn't work...
03-09-06, 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by baxtefer
many tests like this have already been published in "Cycling Plus" and "Sold Secure"
allanbikehouston will be along shortly to tell you this.
then he'll say something nice about ABUS locks.
and then say that Bic pen unlocking is a myth.
a flamewar will ensue.
allanbikehouston will be along shortly to tell you this.
then he'll say something nice about ABUS locks.
and then say that Bic pen unlocking is a myth.
a flamewar will ensue.
03-09-06, 06:36 PM
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the only problem is that this info won't get to everyone who owns one of those locks. hell, i'm one of the few commuter cyclists i know that reads bike crap on a regular basis. most of them just ride, lock up, and not really think about how easy/hard it is to get into their lock. it'd be kind of ****ty to tell someone how to defeat someone else's lock without the lock-owner really knowing anything about it. of course, not all bike thieves read bike crap on a regular basis either, so i guess it could go either way.
you have to remember that lock companies aren't really like car companies. they aren't sending out massive amounts of mail any time there's a problem with one of their products. if it weren't for the internet, i wouldn't have had any idea about the whole bic pen dealie.
you have to remember that lock companies aren't really like car companies. they aren't sending out massive amounts of mail any time there's a problem with one of their products. if it weren't for the internet, i wouldn't have had any idea about the whole bic pen dealie.
03-09-06, 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by crushkilldstroy
the only problem is that this info won't get to everyone who owns one of those locks. hell, i'm one of the few commuter cyclists i know that reads bike crap on a regular basis. most of them just ride, lock up, and not really think about how easy/hard it is to get into their lock. it'd be kind of ****ty to tell someone how to defeat someone else's lock without the lock-owner really knowing anything about it. of course, not all bike thieves read bike crap on a regular basis either, so i guess it could go either way.
you have to remember that lock companies aren't really like car companies. they aren't sending out massive amounts of mail any time there's a problem with one of their products. if it weren't for the internet, i wouldn't have had any idea about the whole bic pen dealie.
you have to remember that lock companies aren't really like car companies. they aren't sending out massive amounts of mail any time there's a problem with one of their products. if it weren't for the internet, i wouldn't have had any idea about the whole bic pen dealie.
03-09-06, 07:18 PM
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Definately publish some details but not step by step so he's not publishing a how to book. Just enought to prove it and make people aware.
03-10-06, 03:20 AM
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Originally Posted by crushkilldstroy
the only problem is that this info won't get to everyone who owns one of those locks. hell, i'm one of the few commuter cyclists i know that reads bike crap on a regular basis. most of them just ride, lock up, and not really think about how easy/hard it is to get into their lock. it'd be kind of ****ty to tell someone how to defeat someone else's lock without the lock-owner really knowing anything about it. of course, not all bike thieves read bike crap on a regular basis either, so i guess it could go either way.
you have to remember that lock companies aren't really like car companies. they aren't sending out massive amounts of mail any time there's a problem with one of their products. if it weren't for the internet, i wouldn't have had any idea about the whole bic pen dealie.
you have to remember that lock companies aren't really like car companies. they aren't sending out massive amounts of mail any time there's a problem with one of their products. if it weren't for the internet, i wouldn't have had any idea about the whole bic pen dealie.
03-10-06, 03:30 AM
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Originally Posted by HexagonSun
i don't know about that. the kryptonite debacle seemed to blow up pretty big.
03-10-06, 03:36 AM
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well thats why the evolution 2000 came with that little plastic collar... it hides the lock hole. DUH!! didnt krypto offer some kind of recall deal to replace the lock system with the one the now use?
03-10-06, 06:25 AM
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Thought this read "Should the flaws of Middle-Earth locks be exposed?"
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03-10-06, 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by crushkilldstroy
and i still see those bic-able kryptos all over the place. i'm sure if people knew about it they wouldn't be using them.
I'd rather have my bike stolen because I'm an idiot that because the company kept a vital flaw secret from everybody.
03-10-06, 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Matthew A Brown
Thought this read "Should the flaws of Middle-Earth locks be exposed?"
03-10-06, 09:04 AM
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Oh, absolutely. I'm 28 and my mom just sent me a care package with brownies and a Stephen King book, cos I'm back in school now. Moms rule.
Oh and, expose every goddamn flaw in these locks. There's zero corporate motivation to make better locks unless they know their **** won't sell. ****, write Consumer Reports and get it in there. Post a link to the article/vid in the commuting, general, mtb forums, everywhere.
Oh and, expose every goddamn flaw in these locks. There's zero corporate motivation to make better locks unless they know their **** won't sell. ****, write Consumer Reports and get it in there. Post a link to the article/vid in the commuting, general, mtb forums, everywhere.
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03-10-06, 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by dolface
publish 'em.
security through obscurity doesn't work...
security through obscurity doesn't work...
I would take the computer security approach however. Contact the manufacturers first informing them of the weaknesses. If they respond back and are willing to fix them, give them time to do that before publishing it. If they don't respond or don't want to fix it, publish it.
But no matter what, please don't keep it a secret.
03-10-06, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by shants
you, sir, are a nerd.
03-10-06, 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by crushkilldstroy
if it weren't for the internet, i wouldn't have had any idea about the whole bic pen dealie.
03-10-06, 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by BostonFixed
Within 2 days of the bic pen discovery here on bikeforums, my local paper [boston globe] had a front page story about it, on one of the inner sections, and they even interviewed/quoted sheldon brown.
