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PBP aerobars legal?
Are aerobars with bullhorn type (track or TT style) bars allowed? what else is/isn't allowed on the PBP which may differ from other Audax events?
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Originally Posted by Cyclaholic
Are aerobars with bullhorn type (track or TT style) bars allowed? what else is/isn't allowed on the PBP which may differ from other Audax events?
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Originally Posted by Cyclaholic
what else is/isn't allowed on the PBP which may differ from other Audax events?
At the last PBP, not allowed to use LED headlights as your primary headlight, likely to be revoked this time.
Must have 3 spare headlight bulbs, don't know how the LED-only riders got past that in 2003 but they did.
Must get your brevet card stamped before the start.
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As far as I know, the rules change slightly every PBP so you'll have to read your information package when you get it in the mail (BTW - do you read French? )
Aerobars have not been allowed in the recent past most likely because of the unstability problems with aerobars in large crowds of people ... particularly very tired people.
Other than that, as far as I know all 1200Ks are supposed to be run just like the PBP. Some I've been on have been a bit more lax about lighting and things like that, and many are not as well supported as the PBP.
Aerobars have not been allowed in the recent past most likely because of the unstability problems with aerobars in large crowds of people ... particularly very tired people.
Other than that, as far as I know all 1200Ks are supposed to be run just like the PBP. Some I've been on have been a bit more lax about lighting and things like that, and many are not as well supported as the PBP.
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Thanks for the feedback. I'm devastated at the 'no aerobars' rule only because I really need to get the weight off my wrists at regular intervals and the aerobars are ideal. I have however taken them off now and see what I can do..... there's always the recumbent option I suppose.
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Originally Posted by Cyclaholic
Thanks for the feedback. I'm devastated at the 'no aerobars' rule only because I really need to get the weight off my wrists at regular intervals and the aerobars are ideal. I have however taken them off now and see what I can do..... there's always the recumbent option I suppose.
When riding my road bike I can do 6-8 hours or so, which is a typical century for me, with no problems. After that the clock is ticking. Taking it to 16 hours, which is a typical double century for me, and my time is up. I have problems from my hips and lower back all the way to my wrists.
I read some ride reports of road bike riders having numb and tingling sensations in their hands and wrists for a long time after the rides, and it sounds like a horror story to me. Risking long term damage just to ride a bike doesn't seem like a good idea to me, but that is just me. Other people have their own priorities, and I respect that.
Your one seating position on a recumbent is good for everything. No need to worry about aerobars, alternate hand positions, or any of that mess.
My recumbent is a Burley Hepcat. It is a good bike, but I am near the performance limit. This past weekend I had the chance to test ride a Bacchetta Corsa on a century out of Malibu, CA. What a speed machine. I could have spent all day on it.
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Originally Posted by ronsmithjunior
As a recumbent rider I am amazed at what some road bike riders suffer through.
When riding my road bike I can do 6-8 hours or so, which is a typical century for me, with no problems. After that the clock is ticking. Taking it to 16 hours, which is a typical double century for me, and my time is up. I have problems from my hips and lower back all the way to my wrists.
I read some ride reports of road bike riders having numb and tingling sensations in their hands and wrists for a long time after the rides, and it sounds like a horror story to me. Risking long term damage just to ride a bike doesn't seem like a good idea to me, but that is just me. Other people have their own priorities, and I respect that.
Your one seating position on a recumbent is good for everything. No need to worry about aerobars, alternate hand positions, or any of that mess.
My recumbent is a Burley Hepcat. It is a good bike, but I am near the performance limit. This past weekend I had the chance to test ride a Bacchetta Corsa on a century out of Malibu, CA. What a speed machine. I could have spent all day on it.
When riding my road bike I can do 6-8 hours or so, which is a typical century for me, with no problems. After that the clock is ticking. Taking it to 16 hours, which is a typical double century for me, and my time is up. I have problems from my hips and lower back all the way to my wrists.
I read some ride reports of road bike riders having numb and tingling sensations in their hands and wrists for a long time after the rides, and it sounds like a horror story to me. Risking long term damage just to ride a bike doesn't seem like a good idea to me, but that is just me. Other people have their own priorities, and I respect that.
Your one seating position on a recumbent is good for everything. No need to worry about aerobars, alternate hand positions, or any of that mess.
My recumbent is a Burley Hepcat. It is a good bike, but I am near the performance limit. This past weekend I had the chance to test ride a Bacchetta Corsa on a century out of Malibu, CA. What a speed machine. I could have spent all day on it.
Tell me, what's the truth about climbing in a 'bent? I hear that hilly courses are easier on a DF. With no experience I can only assume that low enough gearing on a 'bent should let you spin up steep hills just like on any DF......
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Originally Posted by Cyclaholic
Tell me, what's the truth about climbing in a 'bent? I hear that hilly courses are easier on a DF. With no experience I can only assume that low enough gearing on a 'bent should let you spin up steep hills just like on any DF......
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Originally Posted by Cyclaholic
Thanks for the feedback. I'm devastated at the 'no aerobars' rule only because I really need to get the weight off my wrists at regular intervals and the aerobars are ideal. I have however taken them off now and see what I can do..... there's always the recumbent option I suppose.
Or maybe some protective pads on the forearms...
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Originally Posted by ronsmithjunior
As a recumbent rider I am amazed at what some road bike riders suffer through.
It is possible for most people to get a comfortable position on an upright. Some people seem to accept 'uncomfortable' though.
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In addition to giving you alternative positions, aerobars also let you use both hands for cleaning your sunglasses, or opening energy bars, or taking the cue sheet out of its plastic baggy to flip it to the next page, or whatever ...
Guess I'll have to get better at riding with no hands. I'm sure that'll be safer on PBP than riding with aerobars :-)
And as to the upright-bike comfort issue: I used to have numbness in my feet, hands, and nether regions after any ride longer than 200k; but after some fiddling with bike position, bar padding, etc. I have no numbness anywhere, even on rides of 600k. We'll see how a 1200k feels in a few weeks. From ronsmithjunior's description, it sounds like his handlebars may be too low for him for long rides on an upright. All that said, I'd like to try a brevet on a recumbent sometime, just because it looks like fun.
Guess I'll have to get better at riding with no hands. I'm sure that'll be safer on PBP than riding with aerobars :-)
And as to the upright-bike comfort issue: I used to have numbness in my feet, hands, and nether regions after any ride longer than 200k; but after some fiddling with bike position, bar padding, etc. I have no numbness anywhere, even on rides of 600k. We'll see how a 1200k feels in a few weeks. From ronsmithjunior's description, it sounds like his handlebars may be too low for him for long rides on an upright. All that said, I'd like to try a brevet on a recumbent sometime, just because it looks like fun.
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Originally Posted by thebulls
In addition to giving you alternative positions, aerobars also let you use both hands for cleaning your sunglasses, or opening energy bars, or taking the cue sheet out of its plastic baggy to flip it to the next page, or whatever ...
Guess I'll have to get better at riding with no hands. I'm sure that'll be safer on PBP than riding with aerobars :-)
Guess I'll have to get better at riding with no hands. I'm sure that'll be safer on PBP than riding with aerobars :-)
Personally, I found the PBP a bit too hilly, and the road to curvy and rough (cobblestones, etc.) in places, for any extended removal of my hands from the handlebars.
The PBP instruction/cuesheet "encyclopedia" was also not conducive for easy 'page flipping'. I actually followed the route arrows rather than the cue sheet most of the way because it was easier to do that than to wade through the "encyclopedia".
I wouldn't worry too much about learning to ride with no hands ... if you're half asleep out there, which most riders are after about 900 kms, riding with no hands would be just as dangerous or more dangerous than riding with aerobars. Keep in mind too that on the PBP you'll be riding with 4000 of your closest friends. Even if you are feeling good and awake, the people around you may not be feeling the same way. You've really got to pay attention to the road, and all the circumstances going on around you. If the person next to you suddenly falls asleep over his handlebars and swerves violently (which is what happens when you fall asleep while riding), and if you're not in a position where you can quickly react, that person could take you out.
Riding with no hands is not an exceptionally useful trick on these long rides.
BTW - I rode my first two years of randonneuring with aerobars, including the RM1200, and I was a little upset that the PBP didn't allow them too. But when I got on the PBP I discovered that there was really no place on the ride where I would have used them anyway, and I didn't miss them. In fact, I haven't put them back on my randonneuring bicycle since.
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Originally Posted by thebulls
From ronsmithjunior's description, it sounds like his handlebars may be too low for him for long rides on an upright. All that said, I'd like to try a brevet on a recumbent sometime, just because it looks like fun.
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Originally Posted by spokenword
On my first 200K, I spent about 50K in the company of three other riders, one of whom was riding a recumbent. In general, he always lagged on the climbs, but he always made up for it on the descents. Those things are like bullets on a downhill.
It depends on what your strengths are and what kind of bike you get as to how you do on hills. At 6'7" and 210 lbs I am no climber. A recumbent allows me to grind out climbs without paying any "price" other than the effort my legs are putting out. As with any kind of bike, the engine matters most.
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Originally Posted by LWaB
I find it interesting that some enthusiastic recumbent riders switch back to uprights after a few years.
It is possible for most people to get a comfortable position on an upright. Some people seem to accept 'uncomfortable' though.
It is possible for most people to get a comfortable position on an upright. Some people seem to accept 'uncomfortable' though.
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Originally Posted by dgregory57
I sometimes rest my forearms on the top of my bar... Not for long, because it's not very comfortable...