ok im thinkin of gettin a new bike here pretty soon, its either the 2007 dk six pack or an 07 stolen wrap, i ride dirt and street and very little park, im 190llbs and just over 6ft, i know the sixpacks are alright, but i was wondering what people new of the stolen wrap, the stolen wrap seems like a pretty good deal for 320 and no matter which bike i get im gonna get an odyssey midway to put in the back and put my [currently running] dk chopstix on. which bike do you think is better?

if youre just getting a new frame why dont you get something decent like a barcode, fit, or s&m?

All S&M frames are tanks... unless you want to spend a hell of a lot of money.

Oh yeah.. I forgot.. if you are going to spend a hell of a lot of money, do yourself a favor and get the Sunday! frame.

no im not looking into a new frame i just want to get a new complete

S&m frames aren't tanks.... havent you ever seen the L.A.F?

But still the H.A.F is a tank.

the H.A.F???

heavy as f**k

Haha.

Did you bother to read the rest of that post?

Yeah I read the whole post, but thats dumb because all S&M frames are expencive and the Sunday! frame is just as much as the most expencive S&M frame.

And obviously I knew it stood for heavy as fu*k, but uhmm there is no H.A.F

Yes, there is. It hasn't been in production for a decade, though.

Well there is no H.A.F now. It dosent matter what S&M made a decade ago. Every freestyle bmx frame put out a decade ago was a tank.

I really like th enew stolen wrap...i've rode it and its pretty nice quality.

I beg to differ. The Dirtbike/Holmes was always pretty light (although, at just over 6lbs, they're considered heavy now, which is ridiculous when you take into consideration that people used to think that they were too light to ride street with), and it wasn't uncommon to see trals riders on Challengers.

Yeah well I know that they werent acctually all tanks when they were made, but now they are considered heavy and thats what I was implying. We are talking about current times, not 10 years ago. The point is that S&M frames aren't tanks.

There are more expensive S&M frames than others... the lightest one, L.A.F., happens to be very expensive... and the L.A.F. is more expensive than the Sunday! on danscomp.

its because the L.A.F is american made.

The Sunday! frame, regardless of how strong it may be, is as ugly as sin.

i have to agree with you there. That gusset is haggard.

Moral of the story? Think be fore you respond.

oh well, im notjoining in, i just ordered my new 2007 Wethepeople 4 seasons!!! YAY!!!