clipless on an old bike -- am I nuts?
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clipless on an old bike -- am I nuts?
Am I nuts for considering replacing my toe clips with clipless pedals on a 1987 road bike I use to commute 12 roundtrip? The reason I'm considering is I'll be doing my first multi-day tour later this summer. If I had a newer bike, I probably wouldn't hesitate, but does it make sense to spend the money on an old workhorse daily commuter?
Also, what are your thoughts on touring (60-70 miles a day) with toe clips? Does it get uncomfortable?
Also, what are your thoughts on touring (60-70 miles a day) with toe clips? Does it get uncomfortable?
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I added some welgo SPD pedals to my early 80s bike I use regularly and have not regretted it since. I can no longer imagine not having them.
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Pedals are easily switched between bikes so don't worry about losing your investment. They would be totally acceptable on a 1987 bike, even to a retro snob. Welcome to the 1980's, clipless is great!
Here is Bernard Hinault in 1985 (one of the years he won the Tour de France) on his LOOK pedals and SIDI shoes.
Here is Bernard Hinault in 1985 (one of the years he won the Tour de France) on his LOOK pedals and SIDI shoes.
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ragboy - Clips are great, I wouldn't hesitate for a second.
Shiznaz - I've never seen handlebars like that, what kind is Bernard using?
Shiznaz - I've never seen handlebars like that, what kind is Bernard using?
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Originally Posted by bike4life
ragboy - Clips are great, I wouldn't hesitate for a second.
Shiznaz - I've never seen handlebars like that, what kind is Bernard using?
Shiznaz - I've never seen handlebars like that, what kind is Bernard using?
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Its a bullhorn. Pretty standard on a TT bike back in the day befor Lemond road some aerobars in 1989.
The ones Hinault is using actually look like some chopped and flipped road bars. But the idea is the same.
A regular bullhorn:
The ones Hinault is using actually look like some chopped and flipped road bars. But the idea is the same.
A regular bullhorn:
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As already said above, they are most likely road drop bars that have had the drop sections cut off, and then flipped, especially if you take a look at how much they curve up at the ends. This was to allow for proper mounting of the aero levers. Purpose built bullhorns don't curve up to this extent because they are designed for use with TT bar end levers.
This style of bars was already pretty popular for times track events, and it eventually made its way to road time trials, and the the full on aero bars were introduced by Lemond (inspired by triathlon racing). It was a period of great change for cycling as the bikes shifted from finely crafted steel road bikes, to more technologically advanced, event specific bikes intent on always pushing the limits.
More on topic, I have often considered using bullhorns for a tour because I ride them almost exclusively in the city.
PS. I have the same very nice mavic bullhorns as Lemond does in that pic. I don't have the Scott aero bars though as they are just fugly.
This style of bars was already pretty popular for times track events, and it eventually made its way to road time trials, and the the full on aero bars were introduced by Lemond (inspired by triathlon racing). It was a period of great change for cycling as the bikes shifted from finely crafted steel road bikes, to more technologically advanced, event specific bikes intent on always pushing the limits.
More on topic, I have often considered using bullhorns for a tour because I ride them almost exclusively in the city.
PS. I have the same very nice mavic bullhorns as Lemond does in that pic. I don't have the Scott aero bars though as they are just fugly.
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Originally Posted by ragboy
Am I nuts for considering replacing my toe clips with clipless pedals on a 1987 road bike I use to commute 12 roundtrip? The reason I'm considering is I'll be doing my first multi-day tour later this summer. If I had a newer bike, I probably wouldn't hesitate, but does it make sense to spend the money on an old workhorse daily commuter?
Also, what are your thoughts on touring (60-70 miles a day) with toe clips? Does it get uncomfortable?
Also, what are your thoughts on touring (60-70 miles a day) with toe clips? Does it get uncomfortable?
BTW, you can always move the pedals to a new bike later, if you like.
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I've got Crank Bros on all of my bikes. Egg beaters on the Salsa and LHT and Candys on the fixed. GO with SPDs as stated above, there are a plethera of shoes to choose from.
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Thanks for the replies. How much am I looking at for a pair of MTB shoes and SPD pedals?
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You could spend anywhere between 40 and 500 dollars for the set, but you should be able to get a good quality combo for around 100USD. You can pretty much spend what you like, and they pretty much have less 'value' as they get more expensive. Find some shoes that you like, and then choose the pedals.
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pricepoint.com, among other websites, has pedal/shoe combo deals. I haven't been to pricepoint in some time so I'm not sure what they offer now. But if you are like me and wear a different size for almost every different type of shoe, you might not want to buy online. There is aways ebay.
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Originally Posted by ragboy
Am I nuts for considering replacing my toe clips with clipless pedals on a 1987 road bike I use to commute 12 roundtrip? ...Also, what are your thoughts on touring (60-70 miles a day) with toe clips? Does it get uncomfortable?
On the other hand, I think that if you were to switch to clipless pedals, you would not look back. Do that as soon as you don't need winter footwear and do a few 60-70 mile day rides to make sure you are really comfortable.
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I use combo pedals on my commuter (A 1988 Raleigh Technium). Clipless for when the temp is above about 35f, and use the platform side for when it's colder. I love the clipless pedals, and hate when it's too cold to wear my cycling shoes. If I could afford a pair of winter cycling boots I'd get them in a second.
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Originally Posted by ragboy
Am I nuts for considering replacing my toe clips with clipless pedals on a 1987 road bike I use to commute 12 roundtrip? The reason I'm considering is I'll be doing my first multi-day tour later this summer. If I had a newer bike, I probably wouldn't hesitate, but does it make sense to spend the money on an old workhorse daily commuter?
Also, what are your thoughts on touring (60-70 miles a day) with toe clips? Does it get uncomfortable?
Also, what are your thoughts on touring (60-70 miles a day) with toe clips? Does it get uncomfortable?
Listen..plenty of cyclists for years and years used toeclips and many don't/didn't use any retention at all including a billion chinese and they don't seem to be bothered. IMHO, clip in shoes and pedals are highly overated for most cycling pursuits and in large part are a solution to a non-existant problem.
Real racers might benefit from a few tenths or a second in a sprint or a few minutes in 100 miles but for the rest of us.........I'm sure my comments will incite a riot since it will make alot of people feel their intelligence is being threatened but if you really think about the subject, without marketing bias and racer worship mindset, you'll probably find a great freedom, riding your bicycle, without so much gagetry and you will be surprised how much slower you don't go!
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Interesting take Charles Vail -- I can't say I disagree with you, since I haven't gone clipless yet. There is something to be said about keeping it simple, though. Just wondered what the general touring rule was -- to clip or not to clip.
I supposed what will happen eventually is I will get a new bike and go clipless on one and clips on the other and see which I prefer ultimately.
I supposed what will happen eventually is I will get a new bike and go clipless on one and clips on the other and see which I prefer ultimately.
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I've used toe clips on one bike, clipless on my current bike, and platforms on everything else. The toe clips ended up being enough of a pain that I took them off. I LOVE my clipless. I use mountain bike shoes that look like normal tennis or running shoes, and I've walked 6 miles in them before. The only issue was the cleats tap on the concrete. When I walked the 6 miles I used my multi tool to remove the cleats before walking it. (I locked my bike up at the post office and realized I didn't have my keys to unlock it! )
When I wear my clipless to work I generally wear my cycling shoes all day at work, despite the fact that I have a pair of walking shoes here that I could change into.
When I wear my clipless to work I generally wear my cycling shoes all day at work, despite the fact that I have a pair of walking shoes here that I could change into.
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Originally Posted by ragboy
Interesting take Charles Vail -- I can't say I disagree with you, since I haven't gone clipless yet. There is something to be said about keeping it simple, though. Just wondered what the general touring rule was -- to clip or not to clip.
I supposed what will happen eventually is I will get a new bike and go clipless on one and clips on the other and see which I prefer ultimately.
I supposed what will happen eventually is I will get a new bike and go clipless on one and clips on the other and see which I prefer ultimately.
My only position regarding the whole matter is that, I don't like having to use special shoes and special pedals, especially on a tour where, I may want or have to walk, hike or even run and I don't like taking "extra" shoes, just in case. If I am loaded touring, its not so much of a problem but I like to travel light when possible. My pedaling might not be as efficient as some seem to be but I'll bet I am not far behind and after all, I am not in a race like many seem to think they are! In addition, I did a recent 55 mile ride with light baggage and did absolutely fine with my skater shoes and powergrips. Was I slower than others?...Yes but I'd be slower either way! Was I faster than some? Definately? Does it matter? Not if I am not being paid for it!!! The whole "efficiency thing" some talk about as an explanation for why they use clip-ins is completely overrated IMHO. Bicycles are plenty efficient already, with the use of correct gearing you should be able to spin all day without much worry at all and you can jump off your bike in a flash without the click! clack! ankle twist and corresponding clop! clop! into the local museum, antique store or wine tasting joint! This is what we are doing when we tour, right? Or.....are we pretending to be racing alongside Lance and busting a gut up a long climb as fast as we possibly can, ignoring all the great views, except that rotten scoundrel ahead of us that we just have to pass to the next city limit sign!!!! I guess I am making a point that there are two types of riders with different purposes in riding and you'll just have to figure where you fit in, or if its somewhere in between! There is no "general rule" or proper method only what works for you.
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ragboy: I spent about $105+tax on double-sided "campus" pedals ($35) and Shimano shoes ($70, SH-M121G) from the Performance Bike shop in my city. They're probably cheaper online. They've been a good starter option, since I can flip over one or both pedals and use the platform side if I feel like it.