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Travelling in Europe
If you could travel and/or cycletour anywhere in Europe, what part of Europe would you pick?
I'd like to travel everywhere, and hopefully eventually I will be able to, but meanwhile, I'll be limited to about 3 weeks this summer so I have to pick and choose ... and I'm a bit torn about where I want to go.
What would your vote be? And why?
I'd like to travel everywhere, and hopefully eventually I will be able to, but meanwhile, I'll be limited to about 3 weeks this summer so I have to pick and choose ... and I'm a bit torn about where I want to go.
What would your vote be? And why?
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I spent two weeks in Tuscany and Umbria last May, had an excellent time. Very scenic, very cycle-friendly (at least the parts I was in), lots of history and culture in Florence, which is about as big a city as I care to visit. I'm hoping that my next trip over will be longer and I will try to take in Sicily, Sardinia and Corsica, as well as the part of Tuscany north of Florence.
In France, the Pyrenees are beautiful, and not as touristy as the Alps. That whole region has a very remote feeling to it.
The Scottish Highlands are pretty, especially the west coast, but the weather can be iffy. The Hebrides Islands are a great place to island hop with a bicycle, take the ferries from island to island.
Wales is very scenic, the Lon Las Cymru (Welsh National Cycle Route) is an excellent ride.
In France, the Pyrenees are beautiful, and not as touristy as the Alps. That whole region has a very remote feeling to it.
The Scottish Highlands are pretty, especially the west coast, but the weather can be iffy. The Hebrides Islands are a great place to island hop with a bicycle, take the ferries from island to island.
Wales is very scenic, the Lon Las Cymru (Welsh National Cycle Route) is an excellent ride.
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If it's August it could be hot in the south? Of course, three years ago it was hot everywhere. August, I'd probably go for the north. Germany, Loire. Normandy. Ireland. We were just there. The part we saw it was narrow roads, impatient traffic.
If it's hot everywhere, I'd select three regions. Tuscany, Burgundy or right where we presently live. ROussillon, Garscone. Those departments are backed up to the Pyrenees. And the traffic is respectful of cyclists.
If it's hot everywhere, I'd select three regions. Tuscany, Burgundy or right where we presently live. ROussillon, Garscone. Those departments are backed up to the Pyrenees. And the traffic is respectful of cyclists.
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Just 3 weeks someplace not too big Ireland or Scotland. Won't have too much trouble with the language. Unless you want to see the TdF I'd skip France. Did you read Koffee's write up on Itialy?
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Geez, there are a lot of choices when it comes to Europe! How about taping a map to the wall and throw a dart at it, that would be your start point. Throw another and that could be your end point...let the darts decide! Let us know how it works out.
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How about the real North Europe, such as Tour de Baltic Sea: Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Russia (?), Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Germany. Or the other way 'round. With your experience, it just might be doable in three weeks. Or, if you'd rather take it easy, take a ferry for part of the Tour, there are many connections accross the sea.
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Originally Posted by Juha
How about the real North Europe, such as Tour de Baltic Sea: Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Russia (?), Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Germany. Or the other way 'round. With your experience, it just might be doable in three weeks. Or, if you'd rather take it easy, take a ferry for part of the Tour, there are many connections accross the sea.
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Originally Posted by joeprim
Just 3 weeks someplace not too big Ireland or Scotland. Won't have too much trouble with the language. Unless you want to see the TdF I'd skip France.
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Well, to narrow the options down a bit ....
France will be one of the countries I visit because I will be doing the PBP from August 20-24th. Also I enjoyed France when I was there in 2003, and I know how to speak the language much better this time, so I'm anxious to practice.
I think I'm sort of leaning toward Belgium, Holland, Switzerland, Germany, and possibly into Italy.
I haven't heard too much about Spain recently ... has anyone toured there?
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Originally Posted by Juha
How about the real North Europe, such as Tour de Baltic Sea: Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Russia (?), Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Germany. Or the other way 'round. With your experience, it just might be doable in three weeks. Or, if you'd rather take it easy, take a ferry for part of the Tour, there are many connections accross the sea.
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That tour is definitely on the list ... but probably not for this summer. I'd like to spend a little more than 3 weeks doing that one.
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Originally Posted by markf
Wales is very scenic, the Lon Las Cymru (Welsh National Cycle Route) is an excellent ride.
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From what I saw in a brief stay in Bulgaria, Eastern Europe is incredibly cheap. At a nice restaraunt I got soup, a beer, a nice main dish and coffee for about 6.50 USD.
I hope to return eventually, but the cost of airfare makes me want to go elsewhere first (south america?).
I hope to return eventually, but the cost of airfare makes me want to go elsewhere first (south america?).
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Originally Posted by Hocam
From what I saw in a brief stay in Bulgaria, Eastern Europe is incredibly cheap. At a nice restaraunt I got soup, a beer, a nice main dish and coffee for about 6.50 USD.
I hope to return eventually, but the cost of airfare makes me want to go elsewhere first (south america?).
I hope to return eventually, but the cost of airfare makes me want to go elsewhere first (south america?).
Right now Calgary to Paris is about $750 ... actually, that's not bad at all. I'm a bit surprised!
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get our way Machka , look us up. We have both the Pyrenees and the Mediterranean at our back door. On a clear day one can see both. Riding down the coast is maginifique. Aug. can be quite warm. I like to ride early in the AM or after 5, should it be hot. Atop a scenic outlook over the sea, a quick sip of Banyuls energizes one for the return.
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Originally Posted by Machka
Well, to narrow the options down a bit ....
France will be one of the countries I visit because I will be doing the PBP from August 20-24th. Also I enjoyed France when I was there in 2003, and I know how to speak the language much better this time, so I'm anxious to practice.
I think I'm sort of leaning toward Belgium, Holland, Switzerland, Germany, and possibly into Italy.
France will be one of the countries I visit because I will be doing the PBP from August 20-24th. Also I enjoyed France when I was there in 2003, and I know how to speak the language much better this time, so I'm anxious to practice.
I think I'm sort of leaning toward Belgium, Holland, Switzerland, Germany, and possibly into Italy.
I would strongly urge you to head south after (or before) the PBP, or far to the east, as opposed to simply heading toward the Belgian border. The only part of France which I have found to be pretty dull for touring is far northern France between Paris and the Belgian border.
Other regions of France which I have enjoyed include Auvergne, the Loire Valley, Alsace, Pyrenees, Alps, Normandy, Brittany, & Provence (inland, not coastal, which has too much traffic).
I think that a fair number of folks seem to be intimidated by, or afraid of, the French language. Since you speak some French and are anxious to practice, you'll find touring in France to be extremely rewarding.
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Originally Posted by Machka
Well, to narrow the options down a bit ....
France will be one of the countries I visit because I will be doing the PBP from August 20-24th. Also I enjoyed France when I was there in 2003, and I know how to speak the language much better this time, so I'm anxious to practice.
I think I'm sort of leaning toward Belgium, Holland, Switzerland, Germany, and possibly into Italy.
I haven't heard too much about Spain recently ... has anyone toured there?
France will be one of the countries I visit because I will be doing the PBP from August 20-24th. Also I enjoyed France when I was there in 2003, and I know how to speak the language much better this time, so I'm anxious to practice.
I think I'm sort of leaning toward Belgium, Holland, Switzerland, Germany, and possibly into Italy.
I haven't heard too much about Spain recently ... has anyone toured there?
Never been to Spain, but the British cycling forums (another cycling forum, cycling plus) have a lot of people talking about Spain, seems like a really popular destination. Don't know about the temps in August, though.
Hay on Wye is a neat little town, I agree.
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fully agree about south west france
And also, we've had a lot of pleasure in South Mid France - one tour in particular, starting in Saintes Marie de la Mer, in an area known as the Camargue, famous for wild white horses and for flamingoes, both prolific on Mediterranean salt flats - and then trundling a bit north east into Provence, passing over Mont Ventoux (every cyclist's pilgrimage) and up into the Auvergne. Can't go wrong, it's all good!
We also had a wonderful trip a couple of summers ago going from Helsinki (Finland) to Stockholm (Sweden). A bit short for you - for us and a group of happy but not too gung-ho friends, it was a week of 40-60 mile days, using quiet roads and a lot of ferries among all the islands that link Finland and Sweden. (Aland archipelego). Just lovely. I'll pm you a trip report if you like.
Otherwise, why not just come and ride with us in Sunny Bahrain on Sea? Oh....ok....ok....I see your point.....ok, maybe not then!
We also had a wonderful trip a couple of summers ago going from Helsinki (Finland) to Stockholm (Sweden). A bit short for you - for us and a group of happy but not too gung-ho friends, it was a week of 40-60 mile days, using quiet roads and a lot of ferries among all the islands that link Finland and Sweden. (Aland archipelego). Just lovely. I'll pm you a trip report if you like.
Otherwise, why not just come and ride with us in Sunny Bahrain on Sea? Oh....ok....ok....I see your point.....ok, maybe not then!
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I would do South France and Corsica.
Why? I love France, and Corsica is my favourite part of France (haven't travelled it all yet though).
Why? I love France, and Corsica is my favourite part of France (haven't travelled it all yet though).
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Machka,
If you want to give your French a good workout and save on travel costs, consider a trip to la belle province. Charlevoix is awesome: Hang out in what must be the most beautiful city in Canada (Quebec), travel along the historic av. Royale, savour the villages, the Laurentian mountains meeting the sea, whales, forests, parks, and even a meteor crater. If you travel east from Quebec City to, say, Tadoussac, you can easily add an equally beautiful trip north to visit the fiords of the Saguenay River. (I have not travelled in Saguenay by bicycle because I think it would require camping, which I don't do.)
But if it is Europe you want, France is hard to beat.
If you want to give your French a good workout and save on travel costs, consider a trip to la belle province. Charlevoix is awesome: Hang out in what must be the most beautiful city in Canada (Quebec), travel along the historic av. Royale, savour the villages, the Laurentian mountains meeting the sea, whales, forests, parks, and even a meteor crater. If you travel east from Quebec City to, say, Tadoussac, you can easily add an equally beautiful trip north to visit the fiords of the Saguenay River. (I have not travelled in Saguenay by bicycle because I think it would require camping, which I don't do.)
But if it is Europe you want, France is hard to beat.
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Originally Posted by j3ns
I would do South France and Corsica.
Why? I love France, and Corsica is my favourite part of France (haven't travelled it all yet though).
Why? I love France, and Corsica is my favourite part of France (haven't travelled it all yet though).
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Hi axolotl,
Glad to see you still alive. The French trip is still under construction;I am still waiting for the wife to sort out her holidays. I have booked flights for Sicily in May, so I hope to make France in August. I cycled in -34 C this morning. Can't wait for the Italian sunshine. I also think Corsica is great.
Glad to see you still alive. The French trip is still under construction;I am still waiting for the wife to sort out her holidays. I have booked flights for Sicily in May, so I hope to make France in August. I cycled in -34 C this morning. Can't wait for the Italian sunshine. I also think Corsica is great.
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Originally Posted by acantor
Machka,
If you want to give your French a good workout and save on travel costs, consider a trip to la belle province. Charlevoix is awesome: Hang out in what must be the most beautiful city in Canada (Quebec), travel along the historic av. Royale, savour the villages, the Laurentian mountains meeting the sea, whales, forests, parks, and even a meteor crater. If you travel east from Quebec City to, say, Tadoussac, you can easily add an equally beautiful trip north to visit the fiords of the Saguenay River. (I have not travelled in Saguenay by bicycle because I think it would require camping, which I don't do.)
But if it is Europe you want, France is hard to beat.
If you want to give your French a good workout and save on travel costs, consider a trip to la belle province. Charlevoix is awesome: Hang out in what must be the most beautiful city in Canada (Quebec), travel along the historic av. Royale, savour the villages, the Laurentian mountains meeting the sea, whales, forests, parks, and even a meteor crater. If you travel east from Quebec City to, say, Tadoussac, you can easily add an equally beautiful trip north to visit the fiords of the Saguenay River. (I have not travelled in Saguenay by bicycle because I think it would require camping, which I don't do.)
But if it is Europe you want, France is hard to beat.
I was in Quebec last summer.
Yes, it is Europe I want ... because of the Paris-Brest-Paris.
And if the weather is HOT, all the better!! I'm so tired of cold, cold, cold. Even the summers here next to the Rockies are cooler than I like.
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